Ali wrote:PhotonCage wrote:KevinRA wrote:PhotonCage wrote:The obligatory box shot...😁So if official UK stock - wondering why going down this road - when an extra £10 buys the R10 with all the extra benefits that brings?…It was a difficult decision, but in the end size and weight won.Same here. At this point for me, looking to approximate a replacement for the M6II, R50 is the only option. Even if the R10 were cheaper, it wouldn’t make the cut. For me.Enjoy.  I could not move to an R50 from the M6II - controls just too limiting...  R10 is pretty small.

BirdShooter7 wrote:dwkdnvr wrote:L a r s wrote:dwkdnvr wrote:L a r s wrote:dwkdnvr wrote:L a r s wrote:PhotonCage wrote:L a r s wrote:Nice. According to Amazon, I will get mine early next week.If you bought it for the size and weight (like me) you'll be happy.Those are the reasons. Backup camera for trips just in case and hopefully I will take some timelapses with it while using my regular camera for some photography.I'm definitely curious as to whether it works with the RF100-400 that your gear list says you have. I'm wondering whether it is remotely sane to consider it as a secondary birding setup for my wife who struggles with larger bodies. The R10 would probably make a lot more sense, but the idea of the tiny R50 filling this role is attractive if a bit amusing.Looks like it is out for delivery today (USPS from Amazon). Surprising that it made it to this mountain town so early. Of course no signature required so hopefully it will end up at the correct house.Anyways looks like I will test it with the 100-400 next week. We took some Sandhill Crane photos yesterday and my fiancée was not happy with the slowness of her original R so I told her we will go back next week and she can use my R5 and I will use the R50. 😳😆Definitely looking forward to the test. We're down in northern NM and Sandhill Cranes at Bosque Del Apache would definitely be one of the places we'd have both rigs going at once.I think the tiny/low buffer of the R50 definitely makes it limiting for wildlife but we will see. I don’t take a lot of wildlife usually unless they run through my landscape. We can see the cranes near Monte Vista, Colorado which is somewhat close to us.Yes - the buffer means you likely have to shoot jpeg, which might ultimately be unacceptable.Jpeg works for me, here’s one from the R10beautiful bif  !!!

BackToNature1 wrote:L a r s wrote:I think the tiny/low buffer of the R50 definitely makes it limiting for wildlife but we will see. I don’t take a lot of wildlife usually unless they run through my landscape. We can see the cranes near Monte Vista, Colorado which is somewhat close to us.At this price point, nobody would be expecting nearly as much as opposed to a R7 and above. So I think the buffer size in context to wildlife really isn't that important. Plenty of folks shoot wildlife at 1 FPS. With far less cameras.So since most companies are abandoning Bridge cameras, that would force me and I suspect others, to replace theirs with these type cameras. So my expectations with the advanced AF systems would be as a greatly improved casual walkaround camera for wildlife. Which is why I am looking forward to all the initial images from those getting the early units.I have mentioned in the past that Canon also need to do a mirrorless version of the EF 70-300mm f/4-5.6 IS II USM Lens. Seeing how on a cropped body, that should in Canon land I think 480mm. It would also give one a decent casual fast enough lens for basic wildlife on FF. My though process has always been to have both a cropped body and a FF one. With the coming R8, along with the 3 cropped bodies, Canon has done that.Surely a R50 can easily replace these type images from my outdated Bridge Camera. Which has only a 1 inch senor with a max optical 400mm reach and I still crop those images a Ton.Nice images.+1. Small mirrorless, APS-C is the new bridge camera. I found the M50 mark II capable in this regard. I suspect the R50 should best it.Regarding the buffer, I found it a tenable problem so long as A. You shoot C-RAW and B. Use a fast UHS-I card. This was on the M50 II, I suspect the R50 behaves a touch better but we’ll see. The SOOC JPEG may be good enough in the R50 to warrant going JPEG for buffer concerns. That’s big talk coming from yours truly as a hardcore RAW shooter.One of the (big) reasons I choose the R50 over the R10 is its improved JPEGs. Less work. But in this case it may actually be a tenable solution for large buffer situations.

KevinRA wrote:Enjoy. I could not move to an R50 from the M6II - controls just too limiting... R10 is pretty small.I do enjoy direct, physical controls, so the R50 could end up being a big disappointment … looking forward to trying it out.

RLight wrote:Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Ditto on the two lens kit.It’s M-like in size and handling. Cute little box. I like the handling a bit better on the R50 vs the M50, Canons not crazy.It is sad the wasted space on the mount when viewing the rear elements on the lenses. Shame on Canon for killing the M.Battery should be charged in time for the fair. Glad it arrived early as the R3 attracts tons of attention. Last time I went to the fair, my iPhone got stolen. Like who steals iPhones these days? You know they’re gonna get bricked by the owner… I digress.

RLight wrote:RLight wrote:Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Ditto on the two lens kit.It’s M-like in size and handling. Cute little box. I like the handling a bit better on the R50 vs the M50, Canons not crazy.It is sad the wasted space on the mount when viewing the rear elements on the lenses. Shame on Canon for killing the M.Battery should be charged in time for the fair. Glad it arrived early as the R3 attracts tons of attention. Last time I went to the fair, my iPhone got stolen. Like who steals iPhones these days? You know they’re gonna get bricked by the owner… I digress.A ton of folks talk about weight but not as many talk about drawing as little as attention as humanly possible. That is where I think the R50 should shine.I don't know why they don't offer as a R50 combo pack, with the Canon RF-S 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens. That would be my starting point. Maybe they do elsewhere, I have not seen that here in the US.Usually each yr, up until what happen 3 years ago, I would routinely visit our best buy store and see the latest and greatest gear and lens. Seeing how this and the R10 are lower cost models, hopefully when I go next time, both with be on display. I like to handle/touch before I buy.

BackToNature1 wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Ditto on the two lens kit.It’s M-like in size and handling. Cute little box. I like the handling a bit better on the R50 vs the M50, Canons not crazy.It is sad the wasted space on the mount when viewing the rear elements on the lenses. Shame on Canon for killing the M.Battery should be charged in time for the fair. Glad it arrived early as the R3 attracts tons of attention. Last time I went to the fair, my iPhone got stolen. Like who steals iPhones these days? You know they’re gonna get bricked by the owner… I digress.A ton of folks talk about weight but not as many talk about drawing as little as attention as humanly possible. That is where I think the R50 should shine.I don't know why they don't offer as a R50 combo pack, with the Canon RF-S 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens. That would be my starting point. Maybe they do elsewhere, I have not seen that here in the US.Usually each yr, up until what happen 3 years ago, I would routinely visit our best buy store and see the latest and greatest gear and lens. Seeing how this and the R10 are lower cost models, hopefully when I go next time, both with be on display. I like to handle/touch before I buy.The R50 has a 18-45 and 55-210 option, which I went with. If it’s any good like the M50 + 15-45 and 55-200 is? Should be a winner.

RLight wrote:BackToNature1 wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Ditto on the two lens kit.It’s M-like in size and handling. Cute little box. I like the handling a bit better on the R50 vs the M50, Canons not crazy.It is sad the wasted space on the mount when viewing the rear elements on the lenses. Shame on Canon for killing the M.Battery should be charged in time for the fair. Glad it arrived early as the R3 attracts tons of attention. Last time I went to the fair, my iPhone got stolen. Like who steals iPhones these days? You know they’re gonna get bricked by the owner… I digress.A ton of folks talk about weight but not as many talk about drawing as little as attention as humanly possible. That is where I think the R50 should shine.I don't know why they don't offer as a R50 combo pack, with the Canon RF-S 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens. That would be my starting point. Maybe they do elsewhere, I have not seen that here in the US.Usually each yr, up until what happen 3 years ago, I would routinely visit our best buy store and see the latest and greatest gear and lens. Seeing how this and the R10 are lower cost models, hopefully when I go next time, both with be on display. I like to handle/touch before I buy.The R50 has a 18-45 and 55-210 option, which I went with. If it’s any good like the M50 + 15-45 and 55-200 is? Should be a winner.There is a lot more to camera systems than apertures… This thing is, very, capable.Camera sync, SOOC

RLight wrote:RLight wrote:BackToNature1 wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Ditto on the two lens kit.It’s M-like in size and handling. Cute little box. I like the handling a bit better on the R50 vs the M50, Canons not crazy.It is sad the wasted space on the mount when viewing the rear elements on the lenses. Shame on Canon for killing the M.Battery should be charged in time for the fair. Glad it arrived early as the R3 attracts tons of attention. Last time I went to the fair, my iPhone got stolen. Like who steals iPhones these days? You know they’re gonna get bricked by the owner… I digress.A ton of folks talk about weight but not as many talk about drawing as little as attention as humanly possible. That is where I think the R50 should shine.I don't know why they don't offer as a R50 combo pack, with the Canon RF-S 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens. That would be my starting point. Maybe they do elsewhere, I have not seen that here in the US.Usually each yr, up until what happen 3 years ago, I would routinely visit our best buy store and see the latest and greatest gear and lens. Seeing how this and the R10 are lower cost models, hopefully when I go next time, both with be on display. I like to handle/touch before I buy.The R50 has a 18-45 and 55-210 option, which I went with. If it’s any good like the M50 + 15-45 and 55-200 is? Should be a winner.There is a lot more to camera systems than apertures… This thing is, very, capable.Camera sync, SOOCnice, I think you'll enjoy that 55-210though I would have guessed you'd get an R10 + RF 18-150 to start out with

MAC wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:BackToNature1 wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Ditto on the two lens kit.It’s M-like in size and handling. Cute little box. I like the handling a bit better on the R50 vs the M50, Canons not crazy.It is sad the wasted space on the mount when viewing the rear elements on the lenses. Shame on Canon for killing the M.Battery should be charged in time for the fair. Glad it arrived early as the R3 attracts tons of attention. Last time I went to the fair, my iPhone got stolen. Like who steals iPhones these days? You know they’re gonna get bricked by the owner… I digress.A ton of folks talk about weight but not as many talk about drawing as little as attention as humanly possible. That is where I think the R50 should shine.I don't know why they don't offer as a R50 combo pack, with the Canon RF-S 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens. That would be my starting point. Maybe they do elsewhere, I have not seen that here in the US.Usually each yr, up until what happen 3 years ago, I would routinely visit our best buy store and see the latest and greatest gear and lens. Seeing how this and the R10 are lower cost models, hopefully when I go next time, both with be on display. I like to handle/touch before I buy.The R50 has a 18-45 and 55-210 option, which I went with. If it’s any good like the M50 + 15-45 and 55-200 is? Should be a winner.There is a lot more to camera systems than apertures… This thing is, very, capable.Camera sync, SOOCnice, I think you'll enjoy that 55-210though I would have guessed you'd get an R10 + RF 18-150 to start out withI wanted to go with all newly designed RF optimized glass. The RF 18-150 is an adapted M, which means there’s no super software correction accounted for in the optical formula.I get hunches about things, this being one. The R3 and 28-70 were others. The R50 was a great answer for my compact outdoor needs. Canons really giving smartphones competition with this guy. I can’t say that about the M. The R50 solves my gripes on AF and shutter shock from the M but goes a step further with really good SOOC 4k, and really good JPEGs. I’ll setup a gallery, maybe tomorrow, still have extended family over so may be a few days but this thing has bite. My only gripe is 15mm would’ve been nice. And the 1/3 stop on the short end. But the pickup in IQ, AF completely outweigh the loss. It’s not even close. So long as glass you want is available, this thing kills the M50. Canon needs to fix that.

RLight wrote:MAC wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:BackToNature1 wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Ditto on the two lens kit.It’s M-like in size and handling. Cute little box. I like the handling a bit better on the R50 vs the M50, Canons not crazy.It is sad the wasted space on the mount when viewing the rear elements on the lenses. Shame on Canon for killing the M.Battery should be charged in time for the fair. Glad it arrived early as the R3 attracts tons of attention. Last time I went to the fair, my iPhone got stolen. Like who steals iPhones these days? You know they’re gonna get bricked by the owner… I digress.A ton of folks talk about weight but not as many talk about drawing as little as attention as humanly possible. That is where I think the R50 should shine.I don't know why they don't offer as a R50 combo pack, with the Canon RF-S 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens. That would be my starting point. Maybe they do elsewhere, I have not seen that here in the US.Usually each yr, up until what happen 3 years ago, I would routinely visit our best buy store and see the latest and greatest gear and lens. Seeing how this and the R10 are lower cost models, hopefully when I go next time, both with be on display. I like to handle/touch before I buy.The R50 has a 18-45 and 55-210 option, which I went with. If it’s any good like the M50 + 15-45 and 55-200 is? Should be a winner.There is a lot more to camera systems than apertures… This thing is, very, capable.Camera sync, SOOCnice, I think you'll enjoy that 55-210though I would have guessed you'd get an R10 + RF 18-150 to start out withI wanted to go with all newly designed RF optimized glass. The RF 18-150 is an adapted M, which means there’s no super software correction accounted for in the optical formula.I get hunches about things, this being one. The R3 and 28-70 were others. The R50 was a great answer for my compact outdoor needs. Canons really giving smartphones competition with this guy. I can’t say that about the M. The R50 solves my gripes on AF and shutter shock from the M but goes a step further with really good SOOC 4k, and really good JPEGs. I’ll setup a gallery, maybe tomorrow, still have extended family over so may be a few days but this thing has bite. My only gripe is 15mm would’ve been nice. And the 1/3 stop on the short end. But the pickup in IQ, AF completely outweigh the loss. It’s not even close. So long as glass you want is available, this thing kills the M50. Canon needs to fix that.Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM looks good with that AF in good lightthe other lens isn't worth it - iphone insteadm is about m6II, 11-22, 32, which iphone doesn't compete

MAC wrote:RLight wrote:MAC wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:BackToNature1 wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Ditto on the two lens kit.It’s M-like in size and handling. Cute little box. I like the handling a bit better on the R50 vs the M50, Canons not crazy.It is sad the wasted space on the mount when viewing the rear elements on the lenses. Shame on Canon for killing the M.Battery should be charged in time for the fair. Glad it arrived early as the R3 attracts tons of attention. Last time I went to the fair, my iPhone got stolen. Like who steals iPhones these days? You know they’re gonna get bricked by the owner… I digress.A ton of folks talk about weight but not as many talk about drawing as little as attention as humanly possible. That is where I think the R50 should shine.I don't know why they don't offer as a R50 combo pack, with the Canon RF-S 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens. That would be my starting point. Maybe they do elsewhere, I have not seen that here in the US.Usually each yr, up until what happen 3 years ago, I would routinely visit our best buy store and see the latest and greatest gear and lens. Seeing how this and the R10 are lower cost models, hopefully when I go next time, both with be on display. I like to handle/touch before I buy.The R50 has a 18-45 and 55-210 option, which I went with. If it’s any good like the M50 + 15-45 and 55-200 is? Should be a winner.There is a lot more to camera systems than apertures… This thing is, very, capable.Camera sync, SOOCnice, I think you'll enjoy that 55-210though I would have guessed you'd get an R10 + RF 18-150 to start out withI wanted to go with all newly designed RF optimized glass. The RF 18-150 is an adapted M, which means there’s no super software correction accounted for in the optical formula.I get hunches about things, this being one. The R3 and 28-70 were others. The R50 was a great answer for my compact outdoor needs. Canons really giving smartphones competition with this guy. I can’t say that about the M. The R50 solves my gripes on AF and shutter shock from the M but goes a step further with really good SOOC 4k, and really good JPEGs. I’ll setup a gallery, maybe tomorrow, still have extended family over so may be a few days but this thing has bite. My only gripe is 15mm would’ve been nice. And the 1/3 stop on the short end. But the pickup in IQ, AF completely outweigh the loss. It’s not even close. So long as glass you want is available, this thing kills the M50. Canon needs to fix that.Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM looks good with that AF in good lightthe other lens isn't worth it - iphone insteadm is about m6II, 11-22, 32, which iphone doesn't competeThe 18-45 isn’t a very aggressive lens on paper, but it resolves color contrast and sharpness the iPhone can’t.Canons come some ways with its JPEG with the R50, enough that smartphones haven’t made crop irrelevant just yet. The contrary in fact. I sincerely hope Canon gives the new AF and JPEG engine to older Canons, my R3 included. I’ll discuss both soon but Canon isn’t leading on here, the R50 isn’t a shock, but a welcome surprise in the processor department. Not all DIGICX are created equal… I suspected this before, now I’m pretty certain of it as the R50 has advanced AF algorithms, metering, WB, and JPEG sharpness compared to even my R3. Enough to make it look like a dinosaur. Ok, in all seriousness, I’m witnessing about 2 generations of advancement in software on the R50 vs my R3. Odd considering the price points of these things.

RLight wrote:MAC wrote:RLight wrote:MAC wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:BackToNature1 wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Ditto on the two lens kit.It’s M-like in size and handling. Cute little box. I like the handling a bit better on the R50 vs the M50, Canons not crazy.It is sad the wasted space on the mount when viewing the rear elements on the lenses. Shame on Canon for killing the M.Battery should be charged in time for the fair. Glad it arrived early as the R3 attracts tons of attention. Last time I went to the fair, my iPhone got stolen. Like who steals iPhones these days? You know they’re gonna get bricked by the owner… I digress.A ton of folks talk about weight but not as many talk about drawing as little as attention as humanly possible. That is where I think the R50 should shine.I don't know why they don't offer as a R50 combo pack, with the Canon RF-S 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens. That would be my starting point. Maybe they do elsewhere, I have not seen that here in the US.Usually each yr, up until what happen 3 years ago, I would routinely visit our best buy store and see the latest and greatest gear and lens. Seeing how this and the R10 are lower cost models, hopefully when I go next time, both with be on display. I like to handle/touch before I buy.The R50 has a 18-45 and 55-210 option, which I went with. If it’s any good like the M50 + 15-45 and 55-200 is? Should be a winner.There is a lot more to camera systems than apertures… This thing is, very, capable.Camera sync, SOOCnice, I think you'll enjoy that 55-210though I would have guessed you'd get an R10 + RF 18-150 to start out withI wanted to go with all newly designed RF optimized glass. The RF 18-150 is an adapted M, which means there’s no super software correction accounted for in the optical formula.I get hunches about things, this being one. The R3 and 28-70 were others. The R50 was a great answer for my compact outdoor needs. Canons really giving smartphones competition with this guy. I can’t say that about the M. The R50 solves my gripes on AF and shutter shock from the M but goes a step further with really good SOOC 4k, and really good JPEGs. I’ll setup a gallery, maybe tomorrow, still have extended family over so may be a few days but this thing has bite. My only gripe is 15mm would’ve been nice. And the 1/3 stop on the short end. But the pickup in IQ, AF completely outweigh the loss. It’s not even close. So long as glass you want is available, this thing kills the M50. Canon needs to fix that.Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM looks good with that AF in good lightthe other lens isn't worth it - iphone insteadm is about m6II, 11-22, 32, which iphone doesn't competeThe 18-45 isn’t a very aggressive lens on paper,29-72 f7.2- f10 for $299but it resolves color contrast and sharpness the iPhone can’t.the 2 lens kit price was a good deal, but I wish the lens started at 15 mm vs 18Canons come some ways with its JPEG with the R50, enough that smartphones haven’t made crop irrelevant just yet. The contrary in fact.you've shown the R50 with its AF + Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM beats iphoneI would buy thatbut I just wish the other lens had 15I sincerely hope Canon gives the new AF and JPEG engine to older Canons, my R3 included. I’ll discuss both soon but Canon isn’t leading on here, the R50 isn’t a shock, but a welcome surprise in the processor department.Fro says the R8 AF beats the Z9Not all DIGICX are created equal… I suspected this before, now I’m pretty certain of it as the R50 has advanced AF algorithms, metering, WB, and JPEG sharpness compared to even my R3.do you really need $10K worth of R3 + 28-70 f2?I'd sell, save $7500, and get R8 + RF 24-50 (for the 24 mm), RF 85 f2 + RF 35 F1.8 - much more likely to carryand the two cameras with the primes would give you fovs of 35 , 50, 85, 135 - the portrait fovs vs your 28-70 which doesn't go beyond 70 for those portrait opsEnough to make it look like a dinosaur.yikesOk, in all seriousness, I’m witnessing about 2 generations of advancement in software on the R50 vs my R3. Odd considering the price points of these things.You have enough info now to sell and buylighter weight rules

RLight wrote:I wanted to go with all newly designed RF optimized glass. The RF 18-150 is an adapted M, which means there’s no super software correction accounted for in the optical formula.I get hunches about things, this being one. The R3 and 28-70 were others. The R50 was a great answer for my compact outdoor needs. Canons really giving smartphones competition with this guy. I can’t say that about the M. The R50 solves my gripes on AF and shutter shock from the M but goes a step further with really good SOOC 4k, and really good JPEGs. I’ll setup a gallery, maybe tomorrow, still have extended family over so may be a few days but this thing has bite. My only gripe is 15mm would’ve been nice. And the 1/3 stop on the short end. But the pickup in IQ, AF completely outweigh the loss. It’s not even close. So long as glass you want is available, this thing kills the M50. Canon needs to fix that.I shoot with the electronic shutter with my Pana Bridge camera. So many times, I hate the shutter shock of any mech shutter these days. Of course, some brands are better at it then others.My thought process with the adapted RF 18-150 was more about just having 1 lens during a casual walkabout shooting. I wouldn't have to change lens but of course give up a little on the long end.When a camera gives good out of camera Jpegs, sometimes that is half the battle. But I would still shoot this type of camera, RAW plus Jpeg. I only do that now with my Pana.However I am still torn between the R50 and the R10. I won't be able to decide until I hold both cameras in my hand. Also what do think about using the new RF 16mm F2.8 STM on this or the R10? That would be about what, 25mm on cropped?

BackToNature1 wrote:RLight wrote:I wanted to go with all newly designed RF optimized glass. The RF 18-150 is an adapted M, which means there’s no super software correction accounted for in the optical formula.I get hunches about things, this being one. The R3 and 28-70 were others. The R50 was a great answer for my compact outdoor needs. Canons really giving smartphones competition with this guy. I can’t say that about the M. The R50 solves my gripes on AF and shutter shock from the M but goes a step further with really good SOOC 4k, and really good JPEGs. I’ll setup a gallery, maybe tomorrow, still have extended family over so may be a few days but this thing has bite. My only gripe is 15mm would’ve been nice. And the 1/3 stop on the short end. But the pickup in IQ, AF completely outweigh the loss. It’s not even close. So long as glass you want is available, this thing kills the M50. Canon needs to fix that.I shoot with the electronic shutter with my Pana Bridge camera. So many times, I hate the shutter shock of any mech shutter these days. Of course, some brands are better at it then others.My thought process with the adapted RF 18-150 was more about just having 1 lens during a casual walkabout shooting. I wouldn't have to change lens but of course give up a little on the long end.When a camera gives good out of camera Jpegs, sometimes that is half the battle. But I would still shoot this type of camera, RAW plus Jpeg. I only do that now with my Pana.However I am still torn between the R50 and the R10. I won't be able to decide until I hold both cameras in my hand. Also what do think about using the new RF 16mm F2.8 STM on this or the R10? That would be about what, 25mm on cropped?I’ve got a lot to say on this, but to answer the 16, it’s a good option in the here and now. I hope an expect more crop glass though, including a 22mm RF-S someday.16mm at f/2.8 is pretty slick though, 25, yes.

MAC wrote:RLight wrote:MAC wrote:RLight wrote:MAC wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:BackToNature1 wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Ditto on the two lens kit.It’s M-like in size and handling. Cute little box. I like the handling a bit better on the R50 vs the M50, Canons not crazy.It is sad the wasted space on the mount when viewing the rear elements on the lenses. Shame on Canon for killing the M.Battery should be charged in time for the fair. Glad it arrived early as the R3 attracts tons of attention. Last time I went to the fair, my iPhone got stolen. Like who steals iPhones these days? You know they’re gonna get bricked by the owner… I digress.A ton of folks talk about weight but not as many talk about drawing as little as attention as humanly possible. That is where I think the R50 should shine.I don't know why they don't offer as a R50 combo pack, with the Canon RF-S 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens. That would be my starting point. Maybe they do elsewhere, I have not seen that here in the US.Usually each yr, up until what happen 3 years ago, I would routinely visit our best buy store and see the latest and greatest gear and lens. Seeing how this and the R10 are lower cost models, hopefully when I go next time, both with be on display. I like to handle/touch before I buy.The R50 has a 18-45 and 55-210 option, which I went with. If it’s any good like the M50 + 15-45 and 55-200 is? Should be a winner.There is a lot more to camera systems than apertures… This thing is, very, capable.Camera sync, SOOCnice, I think you'll enjoy that 55-210though I would have guessed you'd get an R10 + RF 18-150 to start out withI wanted to go with all newly designed RF optimized glass. The RF 18-150 is an adapted M, which means there’s no super software correction accounted for in the optical formula.I get hunches about things, this being one. The R3 and 28-70 were others. The R50 was a great answer for my compact outdoor needs. Canons really giving smartphones competition with this guy. I can’t say that about the M. The R50 solves my gripes on AF and shutter shock from the M but goes a step further with really good SOOC 4k, and really good JPEGs. I’ll setup a gallery, maybe tomorrow, still have extended family over so may be a few days but this thing has bite. My only gripe is 15mm would’ve been nice. And the 1/3 stop on the short end. But the pickup in IQ, AF completely outweigh the loss. It’s not even close. So long as glass you want is available, this thing kills the M50. Canon needs to fix that.Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM looks good with that AF in good lightthe other lens isn't worth it - iphone insteadm is about m6II, 11-22, 32, which iphone doesn't competeThe 18-45 isn’t a very aggressive lens on paper,29-72 f7.2- f10 for $299but it resolves color contrast and sharpness the iPhone can’t.the 2 lens kit price was a good deal, but I wish the lens started at 15 mm vs 18Canons come some ways with its JPEG with the R50, enough that smartphones haven’t made crop irrelevant just yet. The contrary in fact.you've shown the R50 with its AF + Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM beats iphoneI would buy thatbut I just wish the other lens had 15I sincerely hope Canon gives the new AF and JPEG engine to older Canons, my R3 included. I’ll discuss both soon but Canon isn’t leading on here, the R50 isn’t a shock, but a welcome surprise in the processor department.Fro says the R8 AF beats the Z9Not all DIGICX are created equal… I suspected this before, now I’m pretty certain of it as the R50 has advanced AF algorithms, metering, WB, and JPEG sharpness compared to even my R3.do you really need $10K worth of R3 + 28-70 f2?I'd sell, save $7500, and get R8 + RF 24-50 (for the 24 mm), RF 85 f2 + RF 35 F1.8 - much more likely to carryand the two cameras with the primes would give you fovs of 35 , 50, 85, 135 - the portrait fovs vs your 28-70 which doesn't go beyond 70 for those portrait opsEnough to make it look like a dinosaur.yikesOk, in all seriousness, I’m witnessing about 2 generations of advancement in software on the R50 vs my R3. Odd considering the price points of these things.You have enough info now to sell and buylighter weight rulesFro may be correct. The R50s AF is very powerful, oddly more than even my R3. Canons up to something. I suspect the DIGICX in the R50 is different from a hardware perspective, but, I’m hoping it’s software coming to a future firmware update for R5 and R3 owners. I gather it’s hardware and software.The R50 and R3 serve very different purposes in my arsenal. Neither replaces or “rules” another. I’ve been beating both up this weekend. The R3 has been doing indoors or prime needs, the R50, outdoor and low profile needs. Both would be inappropriate in reverse circumstances. Alternative options would be a compromise of sorts. An R8 would be huge with a telephoto attached at the events I’ve been attending.Now I do miss 15mm, but the trade off is worth it. Canon needs to produce an ultra wide crop lens for RF.I’ve got a ton of shots, I’ll be sharing thoughts and images eventually. Right now I’ve got some up on Flickr for expediency. Sharing on DPR is slow. They gotta fix their hosting.

RLight wrote:MAC wrote:RLight wrote:MAC wrote:RLight wrote:MAC wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:BackToNature1 wrote:RLight wrote:RLight wrote:Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Ditto on the two lens kit.It’s M-like in size and handling. Cute little box. I like the handling a bit better on the R50 vs the M50, Canons not crazy.It is sad the wasted space on the mount when viewing the rear elements on the lenses. Shame on Canon for killing the M.Battery should be charged in time for the fair. Glad it arrived early as the R3 attracts tons of attention. Last time I went to the fair, my iPhone got stolen. Like who steals iPhones these days? You know they’re gonna get bricked by the owner… I digress.A ton of folks talk about weight but not as many talk about drawing as little as attention as humanly possible. That is where I think the R50 should shine.I don't know why they don't offer as a R50 combo pack, with the Canon RF-S 18-150mm f/3.5-6.3 IS STM Lens. That would be my starting point. Maybe they do elsewhere, I have not seen that here in the US.Usually each yr, up until what happen 3 years ago, I would routinely visit our best buy store and see the latest and greatest gear and lens. Seeing how this and the R10 are lower cost models, hopefully when I go next time, both with be on display. I like to handle/touch before I buy.The R50 has a 18-45 and 55-210 option, which I went with. If it’s any good like the M50 + 15-45 and 55-200 is? Should be a winner.There is a lot more to camera systems than apertures… This thing is, very, capable.Camera sync, SOOCnice, I think you'll enjoy that 55-210though I would have guessed you'd get an R10 + RF 18-150 to start out withI wanted to go with all newly designed RF optimized glass. The RF 18-150 is an adapted M, which means there’s no super software correction accounted for in the optical formula.I get hunches about things, this being one. The R3 and 28-70 were others. The R50 was a great answer for my compact outdoor needs. Canons really giving smartphones competition with this guy. I can’t say that about the M. The R50 solves my gripes on AF and shutter shock from the M but goes a step further with really good SOOC 4k, and really good JPEGs. I’ll setup a gallery, maybe tomorrow, still have extended family over so may be a few days but this thing has bite. My only gripe is 15mm would’ve been nice. And the 1/3 stop on the short end. But the pickup in IQ, AF completely outweigh the loss. It’s not even close. So long as glass you want is available, this thing kills the M50. Canon needs to fix that.Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM looks good with that AF in good lightthe other lens isn't worth it - iphone insteadm is about m6II, 11-22, 32, which iphone doesn't competeThe 18-45 isn’t a very aggressive lens on paper,29-72 f7.2- f10 for $299but it resolves color contrast and sharpness the iPhone can’t.the 2 lens kit price was a good deal, but I wish the lens started at 15 mm vs 18Canons come some ways with its JPEG with the R50, enough that smartphones haven’t made crop irrelevant just yet. The contrary in fact.you've shown the R50 with its AF + Canon RF-S 55-210mm F5.0-7.1 IS STM beats iphoneI would buy thatbut I just wish the other lens had 15I sincerely hope Canon gives the new AF and JPEG engine to older Canons, my R3 included. I’ll discuss both soon but Canon isn’t leading on here, the R50 isn’t a shock, but a welcome surprise in the processor department.Fro says the R8 AF beats the Z9Not all DIGICX are created equal… I suspected this before, now I’m pretty certain of it as the R50 has advanced AF algorithms, metering, WB, and JPEG sharpness compared to even my R3.do you really need $10K worth of R3 + 28-70 f2?I'd sell, save $7500, and get R8 + RF 24-50 (for the 24 mm), RF 85 f2 + RF 35 F1.8 - much more likely to carryand the two cameras with the primes would give you fovs of 35 , 50, 85, 135 - the portrait fovs vs your 28-70 which doesn't go beyond 70 for those portrait opsEnough to make it look like a dinosaur.yikesOk, in all seriousness, I’m witnessing about 2 generations of advancement in software on the R50 vs my R3. Odd considering the price points of these things.You have enough info now to sell and buylighter weight rulesFro may be correct. The R50s AF is very powerful, oddly more than even my R3. Canons up to something. I suspect the DIGICX in the R50 is different from a hardware perspective, but, I’m hoping it’s software coming to a future firmware update for R5 and R3 owners. I gather it’s hardware and software.we shall see, but I'm glad they took the leap with the R6II and R8 tooThe R50 and R3 serve very different purposes in my arsenal.sureNeither replaces or “rules” another.sureI’ve been beating both up this weekend.that is goodThe R3 has been doing indoors or prime needs,it is very expensive pro combo you have, I would leave it at home, and only take it on trips if I were being paidthe R50, outdoor and low profile needs.that tele-zoom you have looks ok for filling the frameBoth would be inappropriate in reverse circumstances.trueAlternative options would be a compromise of sorts.true again, but everything is a compromiseAn R8 would be huge with a telephoto attached at the events I’ve been attending.I'll address telephoto below, but first of all, the R8 + 24-105 stm ain't that big and would win almost everytime against your R50 setup for the MAJORITY of shots one would take - normal zoom range shots - that for me would be hard to swallow with a R50 normal zoom setupthat is a huge % of shots that you will take out and aboutNow I do miss 15mm, but the trade off is worth it.for me, no it's not, we disagree, that normal range setup is not winning against an R8 + RF 24-105Canon needs to produce an ultra wide crop lens for RF.yes they do, something like an 11-22 RF-s --  but without 24 on my main zoom, I'd be switching lenses way too often - and having to carry more lenses -- Canon knows this and drives better solutions, like 24-105, to FFI’ve got a ton of shots, I’ll be sharing thoughts and images eventually. Right now I’ve got some up on Flickr for expediency. Sharing on DPR is slow. They gotta fix their hosting.if it were me with your funding for the best compromises, when out and about, no way would I carry $10K enormous R3 + RF 28-70 unless I was being paid.  And I go indoors a lot, museums, etc.everything is a compromise, but I'd recommend the R8 + RF 24-105 F4L with dxo PL6 that will handle both indoor and outdoor when you are out and aboutyou seem to like that tele lens for your R50, so put that in a shoulder bag also and carry two cameras each with the lenses mentioned with no lens changes - no lens changes is a huge advantage - have them ready to go from a shoulder bag with just a wrist strap on eachalso for me, the pop can size RF 70-200 F4L is not too big, and has its foot into the inside door vs your outside contingencies.I've commented on your noisy apsc pics in the past as the lights go down - and offer the improvements above for not much more weight/size

Claude Ganter wrote:Got shipping information from B&H this March 16th for 2 R50 black bodies.Finally got them. These things are really tiny... made my day. Greatest little camera(s) ever! The R10 is small but this R50 is the real deal.No idea about lukewarm reviews. I have R and R5 and the R50 made me think like it is a miniature of the original R for control but better in many aspects for functions. Like the focal length display. Seriously this is missing in R5. You don't have to be a beginner to use such a camera!