Shooters on My Squad wrote:Since a rather long time I’m contemplating why I want a Leica M11, and I think I have found a couple of new, and valid reasons:What where the reasons why you got a Leica rangefinder?P.S. I am not a dentist.I'm just curious how you present 60MPx photos? To my best knowledge there is no screen right now commercially available that can display such a large image. 8K screen is around 30MPx so unless you zoom in image to 100% and then methodically scroll left and right you're not showing that 60MPx ever...

tapirek wrote:I'm just curious how you present 60MPx photos? To my best knowledge there is no screen right now commercially available that can display such a large image. 8K screen is around 30MPx so unless you zoom in image to 100% and then methodically scroll left and right you're not showing that 60MPx ever...The marketing department strikes againTrue words, but there is always fine art & bigger prints.The 60 MP also allow to crop, and you have more leeway to work with these files in general. At least that’s what I observe when working with 45 MP compared to ~20–25 MP.

tapirek wrote:Shooters on My Squad wrote:Since a rather long time I’m contemplating why I want a Leica M11, and I think I have found a couple of new, and valid reasons:What where the reasons why you got a Leica rangefinder?P.S. I am not a dentist.I'm just curious how you present 60MPx photos? To my best knowledge there is no screen right now commercially available that can display such a large image. 8K screen is around 30MPx so unless you zoom in image to 100% and then methodically scroll left and right you're not showing that 60MPx ever...You can print large, crop more, but most importantlly, 60MP eliminates false colors that appear at lower resolutions.

Shooters on My Squad wrote:But this is about Leica. If I won Lotto (seriously!!) I would possibly go for a 35/1.435mm? I’m running away!Don't! Do. The. Chris. Nicolls. On.Me.Something like this. Tried the X100F on one of my trips, but the F2 is - sadly - a stop too slow.So, yeah, 35/1.4 Summilux could easily tickle my fancy.500 lenses for E-Mount?? RU sure about that? Be it as it may, I only need AND want no more than 3 or 4 primes.Deed

Great photos. I was partially kidding. The 35mm won’t be my favorite, but I started to appreciate it.About the E mount lenses, yeah, 509 are available, here’s the list:

SrMi wrote:tapirek wrote:Shooters on My Squad wrote:Since a rather long time I’m contemplating why I want a Leica M11, and I think I have found a couple of new, and valid reasons:What where the reasons why you got a Leica rangefinder?P.S. I am not a dentist.I'm just curious how you present 60MPx photos? To my best knowledge there is no screen right now commercially available that can display such a large image. 8K screen is around 30MPx so unless you zoom in image to 100% and then methodically scroll left and right you're not showing that 60MPx ever...You can print large, crop more, but most importantlly, 60MP eliminates false colors that appear at lower resolutions.Yes, but on the other hand 60MPX is absolutely ruthless for any lens imperfection and makes that per-pixel sharpness much harder to achieve than with 24 or 36 MPx. So the question is how often do you really make use of that 60MPx? If 70-80% of your time, than yes, 60MPx is a valid reason to want M11. But if you will only shoot 5% of your photos to really benefit from those megapixels than in my opinion it's not worth it.

tapirek wrote:SrMi wrote:You can print large, crop more, but most importantlly, 60MP eliminates false colors that appear at lower resolutions.Yes, but on the other hand 60MPX is absolutely ruthless for any lens imperfection and makes that per-pixel sharpness much harder to achieve than with 24 or 36 MPx. So the question is how often do you really make use of that 60MPx? If 70-80% of your time, than yes, 60MPx is a valid reason to want M11. But if you will only shoot 5% of your photos to really benefit from those megapixels than in my opinion it's not worth it.If you compare them at 100% then yes, but I don’t care about that. A slightly misfocused photo won’t be visible on MFT at all while it will be on a FF >45 MP body at 100%. Just post-process, and scale down the image, this is what I care about, and higher resolutions help with that. If you shoot on wider primes you also benefit from more MP as you have more freedom to crop (basically repeating myself, but the point is that sometimes it’s not that easy to zoom with a prime lens, and the M11 and a prime are a great fit).

tapirek wrote:SrMi wrote:tapirek wrote:Shooters on My Squad wrote:Since a rather long time I’m contemplating why I want a Leica M11, and I think I have found a couple of new, and valid reasons:What where the reasons why you got a Leica rangefinder?P.S. I am not a dentist.I'm just curious how you present 60MPx photos? To my best knowledge there is no screen right now commercially available that can display such a large image. 8K screen is around 30MPx so unless you zoom in image to 100% and then methodically scroll left and right you're not showing that 60MPx ever...You can print large, crop more, but most importantlly, 60MP eliminates false colors that appear at lower resolutions.Yes, but on the other hand 60MPX is absolutely ruthless for any lens imperfection and makes that per-pixel sharpness much harder to achieve than with 24 or 36 MPx. So the question is how often do you really make use of that 60MPx? If 70-80% of your time, than yes, 60MPx is a valid reason to want M11. But if you will only shoot 5% of your photos to really benefit from those megapixels than in my opinion it's not worth it.If you are looking at the output of the same size, which you should, then there is no difference. In practice, I shoot faster shutter speeds at 60MP than 24MP to prevent motion blur when handholding and looking at 100%.M11 offers two lower resolutions if you do not want to downscale in the post and have the 24/36MP "performance"  (effect of lens imperfection, etc.). When shooting with older lenses, you want to see their imperfections. User feedback is that old glass work very well with M11.Note that a 60MP is "only" 60% larger than the resolution of 24MP (linear resolution matters).Other benefits of higher resolution are better NR, SDC, and image transformations in post.

SrMi wrote:tapirek wrote:SrMi wrote:tapirek wrote:I'm just curious how you present 60MPx photos? To my best knowledge there is no screen right now commercially available that can display such a large image. 8K screen is around 30MPx so unless you zoom in image to 100% and then methodically scroll left and right you're not showing that 60MPx ever...You can print large, crop more, but most importantlly, 60MP eliminates false colors that appear at lower resolutions.Yes, but on the other hand 60MPX is absolutely ruthless for any lens imperfection and makes that per-pixel sharpness much harder to achieve than with 24 or 36 MPx. So the question is how often do you really make use of that 60MPx? If 70-80% of your time, than yes, 60MPx is a valid reason to want M11. But if you will only shoot 5% of your photos to really benefit from those megapixels than in my opinion it's not worth it.If you are looking at the output of the same size, which you should, then there is no difference. In practice, I shoot faster shutter speeds at 60MP than 24MP to prevent motion blur when handholding and looking at 100%.Yes, but when we're talking about the usual way of looking at the pictures (4k screen or 10x15cm print in my case but mileage may vary) do you get anything out of those 60MPx that you will not get from 24? If yes, justifying buying M11 for 60MPx sensor makes sense. Otherwise, not really...M11 offers two lower resolutions if you do not want to downscale in the post and have the 24/36MP "performance" (effect of lens imperfection, etc.). When shooting with older lenses, you want to see their imperfections. User feedback is that old glass work very well with M11.Exactly my point here - buying 60MPx camera to use lower resolution most of the time makes no sense at all.Note that a 60MP is "only" 60% larger than the resolution of 24MP (linear resolution matters).Other benefits of higher resolution are better NR, SDC, and image transformations in post.Agree with image transformation, but since when higher resolution is better NR? Asking not bashing, because my intuition tells me otherwise - the smaller the pixels, the more noise so it's harder to get rid of it. If it's otherwise I would gladly understand that.

tapirek wrote:SrMi wrote:tapirek wrote:SrMi wrote:tapirek wrote:I'm just curious how you present 60MPx photos? To my best knowledge there is no screen right now commercially available that can display such a large image. 8K screen is around 30MPx so unless you zoom in image to 100% and then methodically scroll left and right you're not showing that 60MPx ever...You can print large, crop more, but most importantlly, 60MP eliminates false colors that appear at lower resolutions.Yes, but on the other hand 60MPX is absolutely ruthless for any lens imperfection and makes that per-pixel sharpness much harder to achieve than with 24 or 36 MPx. So the question is how often do you really make use of that 60MPx? If 70-80% of your time, than yes, 60MPx is a valid reason to want M11. But if you will only shoot 5% of your photos to really benefit from those megapixels than in my opinion it's not worth it.If you are looking at the output of the same size, which you should, then there is no difference. In practice, I shoot faster shutter speeds at 60MP than 24MP to prevent motion blur when handholding and looking at 100%.Yes, but when we're talking about the usual way of looking at the pictures (4k screen or 10x15cm print in my case but mileage may vary) do you get anything out of those 60MPx that you will not get from 24? If yes, justifying buying M11 for 60MPx sensor makes sense. Otherwise, not really...I am looking at images on the computer only while editing. Otherwise, it is the print or online sharing. While most of my prints are small, I like the possibility of printing large.With Leica cameras (no AA filter), the IQ is better with high resolutions sensors (fewer false colors). Also, post-processing produces better results before downscaling the image for print or online sharting (SDC, NR, LPC).That said, I am happy with my 24MP Leica cameras.M11 offers two lower resolutions if you do not want to downscale in the post and have the 24/36MP "performance" (effect of lens imperfection, etc.). When shooting with older lenses, you want to see their imperfections. User feedback is that old glass work very well with M11.Exactly my point here - buying 60MPx camera to use lower resolution most of the time makes no sense at all.IMO, the resolution increase is not the reason why one would buy an M11.Note that a 60MP is "only" 60% larger than the resolution of 24MP (linear resolution matters).Other benefits of higher resolution are better NR, SDC, and image transformations in post.Agree with image transformation, but since when higher resolution is better NR?Jim Kasson explained it in one of his articles.https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62914866Asking not bashing, because my intuition tells me otherwise - the smaller the pixels, the more noise so it's harder to get rid of it. If it's otherwise I would gladly understand that.

tapirek wrote:Yes, but when we're talking about the usual way of looking at the pictures (4k screen or 10x15cm print in my case but mileage may vary) do you get anything out of those 60MPx that you will not get from 24? If yes, justifying buying M11 for 60MPx sensor makes sense. Otherwise, not really...When you take a look at those ~25 MP images on a 27 inch display about 90–95% is visible when at 100%. You have to nail your composition with these sensors, but with the 60 MP of the M11 you can still post-process.

OK, guys. The time has come that I should rename this thread to “Why I Do Not Want a Leica M11”, but unfortunately I cannot edit my initial post any longer.The reason why I don’t want one anymore? I just ordered a black M11 with the olive green protector & strap, and I really do not need two

My reasons for owning an M11 are traditional:My other main camera is the Sony A1. It’s lightning fast and the e-shutter (silent) is not susceptible to jello-like distortions due to fast sensor readouts  These sophisticated Sonys have gotten heavier and larger over time. I keep them largely because of shooting dance performances - they are just superior tools for that particular genre.I tried the Leica SL2S and the 35 APO L-mount lens  The IQ was truly amazing. But the camera and its largish lens were large and very heavy - much more so than the Sony. So I passed on this kit vWhat would induce me to consider an M12?

Short update: I wanted to make a bad joke a couple of days ago, wonder what will happen first, me receiving the M11, or DPReview closing down. But I’ve just seen that the package is out for delivery, and if everything works out it should be picked up by the truck tomorrow morning, and I can already shoot some pictures at the church this weekend.I’ll keep my fingers crossed, and finally need to catch up some sleep now.I’m a happy man!

jafleming3 wrote:Ibis give much weight to the camera which is already quite heavyManual focus protocol: now the sensor is always on? They only have to add a cross phase detection in the middle of the sensor, and a led in the viewfinder which light when focus is on, and can tell which way to turn , like Nikon SLR 15 years ago ..Vertical alignement is not so easy, it depends of the camera. But focus calibration take only 2 to 5mn for an M camera with live view,