Has anyone done this comparison or know of a YouTuber that has?  Thanks.

Jeff Klofft wrote:Has anyone done this comparison or know of a YouTuber that has? Thanks.Not sure, check this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12WIJTqRqzkprobably the 500 + 1.4TC is slightly better, since the 500 + 1.7TC is almost the same as the 400 + 2.0TChttps://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-400mm-f4-5-vr-s-review/2/

Jeff Klofft wrote:Has anyone done this comparison or know of a YouTuber that has? Thanks.If I ever get the TC2 I have ordered months ago, I plan to try that out.  However, I am fairly certain the 500mm PF plus the 1.4TC will be better.  Not sure how to make it a "fair" comparison, the 400mm plus TC2 will be f/9 versus f/8 for the 500mm PF?  And 800mm versus 700mm.

A good onehere

Jeff Klofft wrote:Has anyone done this comparison or know of a YouTuber that has? Thanks.Not a YouTuber, butCameralabs 400mm f/4.5 Reviewjust posted a review of the 400mm f/4.5.They compare the 400mm with and without a TC with the 500pf. The review also includes comparisons with several other lenses.With the TC, the 500pf is better (no surprise) but not substantially so. The clear winner in the 500mm range is the 400mm f/2.8 TC with the TC activated. Again, not surprising, but given the price, who would expect less.For me, if I didn't already have the 500pf, based on the CameraLab results, I would be comfort using the 400 f/4.5 with a TC to get to 500mm.  I would definitely prefer it to using the Z 100-400 with a TC (which I've used in the past with a 2x TC with good results).

Thanks everyone

dv312 wrote:A good onehereThat was quite detailed. Thanks!

I think the Z 400 f4.5 would be a great lens to have but what about us that already have the Z 100-400? Here is my thoughtI also have the Z 70-200 2.8 I was thinking of selling the Z 100-400 and buying the Z 400 4.5 and if I'm on a safari I can have the 400 4.5 attached to my Z9 with the Z 1.4 tele and have the Z 70-200 2.8 on another camera. Or the other thing I can do is wait for the Z 200-600 then sell the Z 100-400 but something tells me the 200-600 will not even perform like the 400 4.5.

Jeff Klofft wrote:Has anyone done this comparison or know of a YouTuber that has? Thanks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83_aQS6zvXk

SpartanWarrior wrote:I think the Z 400 f4.5 would be a great lens to have but what about us that already have the Z 100-400? Here is my thoughtI also have the Z 70-200 2.8 I was thinking of selling the Z 100-400 and buying the Z 400 4.5 and if I'm on a safari I can have the 400 4.5 attached to my Z9 with the Z 1.4 tele and have the Z 70-200 2.8 on another camera. Or the other thing I can do is wait for the Z 200-600 then sell the Z 100-400 but something tells me the 200-600 will not even perform like the 400 4.5.This is what I plan on doing. I'll sell my E-M1X and 300mm f/4 Pro for a 400 4.5 and 1.4TC. Z9 in DX will have same reach, but better speed, AF, and similar noise performance. Plus I won't have to shoot two systems anymore.I don't think the 200-600Z will be as good as people think it's going to be. One thing itwillbe though, is dark. I think we'll be lucky if it's f/6.3 on the long end. Hopefully they don't pull a Canon and start making a bunch of F/7.1 and F/11 lenses.

Terrible Photographer wrote:SpartanWarrior wrote:I think the Z 400 f4.5 would be a great lens to have but what about us that already have the Z 100-400? Here is my thoughtI also have the Z 70-200 2.8 I was thinking of selling the Z 100-400 and buying the Z 400 4.5 and if I'm on a safari I can have the 400 4.5 attached to my Z9 with the Z 1.4 tele and have the Z 70-200 2.8 on another camera. Or the other thing I can do is wait for the Z 200-600 then sell the Z 100-400 but something tells me the 200-600 will not even perform like the 400 4.5.This is what I plan on doing. I'll sell my E-M1X and 300mm f/4 Pro for a 400 4.5 and 1.4TC. Z9 in DX will have same reach, but better speed, AF, and similar noise performance. Plus I won't have to shoot two systems anymore.I don't think the 200-600Z will be as good as people think it's going to be. One thing itwillbe though, is dark. I think we'll be lucky if it's f/6.3 on the long end. Hopefully they don't pull a Canon and start making a bunch of F/7.1 and F/11 lenses.Same here I also think the 200-600 will be a heavy lens as it looks much bigger than the 400 4.5. I just sold my Z6II and will purchase the next Z camera to have along with my Z9, I'm hoping for a great crop camera;)

Ricardo00 wrote:Jeff Klofft wrote:Has anyone done this comparison or know of a YouTuber that has? Thanks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83_aQS6zvXkI'm surprised at how well the 400 f/4.5 did with the 2.0TC.  It's not the 800, but it's way better than the 100-400 zoom.  I sold my TC2 after I got the 100-400 because I didn't need it on the 70-200 any more and it was lousy on the 100-400.

Jeff Klofft wrote:Ricardo00 wrote:Jeff Klofft wrote:Has anyone done this comparison or know of a YouTuber that has? Thanks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83_aQS6zvXkI'm surprised at how well the 400 f/4.5 did with the 2.0TC. It's not the 800, but it's way better than the 100-400 zoom. I sold my TC2 after I got the 100-400 because I didn't need it on the 70-200 any more and it was lousy on the 100-400.Hmmm, I would have loved to buy it!  Where did you sell it?  I have been looking for a new or used one.

eBay a few months back

Here you go. sooc as rendered by NX Studio. As you can see, no PP, dust spots and all.Z6II 400 4.5 / TC2 from about 4-5 meters.About 4 metersAcross pond about 10+ meters.

Thanks.  Looks better than the 100-400 zoom.

Jeff Klofft wrote:. I sold my TC2 after I got the 100-400 because I didn't need it on the 70-200 any more and it was lousy on the 100-400It's refreshing to read someone who doesn't simply replicate the hype. I have often read "no loss of quality with the 2x on the 100-400! It's a miracle!", and it's far from the truth. I have the combination, it's usable, but it's only marginally better than cropping.

Ricardo00 wrote:Jeff Klofft wrote:Ricardo00 wrote:Jeff Klofft wrote:Has anyone done this comparison or know of a YouTuber that has? Thanks.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=83_aQS6zvXkI'm surprised at how well the 400 f/4.5 did with the 2.0TC. It's not the 800, but it's way better than the 100-400 zoom. I sold my TC2 after I got the 100-400 because I didn't need it on the 70-200 any more and it was lousy on the 100-400.Hmmm, I would have loved to buy it! Where did you sell it? I have been looking for a new or used one.I have a brand new Z TC 2.0 I bought for my 70-200.  It's never been out of the box.  Let me know if interested.

LASR wrote:Jeff Klofft wrote:Has anyone done this comparison or know of a YouTuber that has? Thanks.Not sure, check this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=12WIJTqRqzkprobably the 500 + 1.4TC is slightly better, since the 500 + 1.7TC is almost the same as the 400 + 2.0TChttps://www.cameralabs.com/nikon-z-400mm-f4-5-vr-s-review/2/A good comparison.

Test shots with the 400 4.5 and 2x tele.  I no longer have the 500PF, if I still had it, I would expect it to be as good.  I think differences would be more to do with the light, the the skill of the shooter and his post ability rather than the  lenses.