Man I am...Make the lens sharp enough to use the teleconvertors and add the aperture ring that's on the 2070/4 and you have a perfect lens pairing for the hobbyist.I didn't think this would be possible, but with Sony creating all these replacement lenses, it is VERY possible.  I would also like to see mark two versions of the 24-240 and the 70-300 lenses with added aperture rings.

You lost me on aperture rings. Two controls on a zoom is plenty.

jhunna wrote:Man I am...Make the lens sharp enough to use the teleconvertors and add the aperture ring that's on the 2070/4 and you have a perfect lens pairing for the hobbyist.I didn't think this would be possible, but with Sony creating all these replacement lenses, it is VERY possible. I would also like to see mark two versions of the 24-240 and the 70-300 lenses with added aperture rings.It should be "easy" - Sony has already designed the excellent 70-200 f/2.8 Mk2.Take the same optical formula, and just reduce the diameter of each element until it corresponds to the f/4 aperture. I wonder if it would provide enough weight and size saving to be a successful 70-200 f/4 design? I think the front element and other close to the front of the lens will experience the greatest reduction, while those close to the mount will stay practically the same.

QuietOC wrote:You lost me on aperture rings. Two controls on a zoom is plenty.the 70-200/2.8 gm 2 has the aperture ring and plenty of buttons. And with Sony's excellent focusing I almost never use the focus ring, but find I use the aperture ring quite a bit with the A7C, and its missed when it isn't there. (no front camera dial)...

jhunna wrote:Man I am...Make the lens sharp enough to use the teleconvertors and add the aperture ring that's on the 2070/4 and you have a perfect lens pairing for the hobbyist.I didn't think this would be possible, but with Sony creating all these replacement lenses, it is VERY possible. I would also like to see mark two versions of the 24-240 and the 70-300 lenses with added aperture rings.Sony hasn't replaced many lenses, not "all these replacement lenses". They have only replaced a few lenses that really needed replacement.I don't think Sony are planning to replace the lenses you want them to. To be honest, I'm hoping they are working on new lenses. Ideally the new ones that I want them to(yeah, selfish motivations!)The aperture rings are one of the features that Sony includes on their GM lenses, not G or lesser lenses. I don't imagine they'd be making a GM version of a 24-240mm super-zoom. They might consider doing the 70-200/4 as a GM (they made the 50/1.4 as a GM, after all).

AlephNull wrote:jhunna wrote:Man I am...Make the lens sharp enough to use the teleconvertors and add the aperture ring that's on the 2070/4 and you have a perfect lens pairing for the hobbyist.I didn't think this would be possible, but with Sony creating all these replacement lenses, it is VERY possible. I would also like to see mark two versions of the 24-240 and the 70-300 lenses with added aperture rings.Sony hasn't replaced many lenses, not "all these replacement lenses". They have only replaced a few lenses that really needed replacement.They replaced the 24-70, 70-200 GMs with supposedly the 1635GM coming soon. There are new versions of the 1635/4 and 24-105/4 (now the 2070/4).  I get these can be considered new, but they are really tweaking the line up in unexpected ways.I don't think Sony are planning to replace the lenses you want them to. To be honest, I'm hoping they are working on new lenses. Ideally the new ones that I want them to(yeah, selfish motivations!)Which ones do you want?  Hobbies are all about being selfish, lenses I want do you no good if they don't fit into your processess.The aperture rings are one of the features that Sony includes on their GM lenses, not G or lesser lenses. I don't imagine they'd be making a GM version of a 24-240mm super-zoom. They might consider doing the 70-200/4 as a GM (they made the 50/1.4 as a GM, after all).Not true.  Aperture rings are on the newer G lenses the 20/1.8 and 2070/4 both are G and both have aperture rings.  Sony is doing so many creative things that nothing they do would surprise me.

jhunna wrote:AlephNull wrote:jhunna wrote:Man I am...Make the lens sharp enough to use the teleconvertors and add the aperture ring that's on the 2070/4 and you have a perfect lens pairing for the hobbyist.I didn't think this would be possible, but with Sony creating all these replacement lenses, it is VERY possible. I would also like to see mark two versions of the 24-240 and the 70-300 lenses with added aperture rings.Sony hasn't replaced many lenses, not "all these replacement lenses". They have only replaced a few lenses that really needed replacement.They replaced the 24-70, 70-200 GMs with supposedly the 1635GM coming soon. There are new versions of the 1635/4 and 24-105/4 (now the 2070/4). I get these can be considered new, but they are really tweaking the line up in unexpected ways.Right, so they have replaced two lenses in their line up. They have added two new lenses (I think calling the 20-70 a "replacement" of the 24-105 is a big stretch!), and there are rumours they might be replacing a third. That's not a lot. And the rumoured 85/1.2 can be argued as a replacement or a new lens.I don't think Sony are planning to replace the lenses you want them to. To be honest, I'm hoping they are working on new lenses. Ideally the new ones that I want them to(yeah, selfish motivations!)Which ones do you want? Hobbies are all about being selfish, lenses I want do you no good if they don't fit into your processess.They've announced one: the 300 f/2.8 GM, and I am keen for a 200 f/2 GM. I'd be interested to see them release an 800 GM (although I doubt I'd ever be able to buy one, but I could rent it).I would also like to see a longer macro lens (more working distance) - a 180 or 200, for preference.The aperture rings are one of the features that Sony includes on their GM lenses, not G or lesser lenses. I don't imagine they'd be making a GM version of a 24-240mm super-zoom. They might consider doing the 70-200/4 as a GM (they made the 50/1.4 as a GM, after all).Not true. Aperture rings are on the newer G lenses the 20/1.8 and 2070/4 both are G and both have aperture rings. Sony is doing so many creative things that nothing they do would surprise me.OK, some G lenses are getting aperture rings. The ones I own (the 200-600, for example) do not.

AlephNull wrote:jhunna wrote:AlephNull wrote:jhunna wrote:Man I am...Make the lens sharp enough to use the teleconvertors and add the aperture ring that's on the 2070/4 and you have a perfect lens pairing for the hobbyist.I didn't think this would be possible, but with Sony creating all these replacement lenses, it is VERY possible. I would also like to see mark two versions of the 24-240 and the 70-300 lenses with added aperture rings.Sony hasn't replaced many lenses, not "all these replacement lenses". They have only replaced a few lenses that really needed replacement.They replaced the 24-70, 70-200 GMs with supposedly the 1635GM coming soon. There are new versions of the 1635/4 and 24-105/4 (now the 2070/4). I get these can be considered new, but they are really tweaking the line up in unexpected ways.Right, so they have replaced two lenses in their line up. They have added two new lenses (I think calling the 20-70 a "replacement" of the 24-105 is a big stretch!), and there are rumours they might be replacing a third. That's not a lot. And the rumoured 85/1.2 can be argued as a replacement or a new lens.I don't think Sony are planning to replace the lenses you want them to. To be honest, I'm hoping they are working on new lenses. Ideally the new ones that I want them to(yeah, selfish motivations!)Which ones do you want? Hobbies are all about being selfish, lenses I want do you no good if they don't fit into your processess.They've announced one: the 300 f/2.8 GM, and I am keen for a 200 f/2 GM. I'd be interested to see them release an 800 GM (although I doubt I'd ever be able to buy one, but I could rent it).I would also like to see a longer macro lens (more working distance) - a 180 or 200, for preference.The aperture rings are one of the features that Sony includes on their GM lenses, not G or lesser lenses. I don't imagine they'd be making a GM version of a 24-240mm super-zoom. They might consider doing the 70-200/4 as a GM (they made the 50/1.4 as a GM, after all).Not true. Aperture rings are on the newer G lenses the 20/1.8 and 2070/4 both are G and both have aperture rings. Sony is doing so many creative things that nothing they do would surprise me.OK, some G lenses are getting aperture rings. The ones I own (the 200-600, for example) do not.Hoping Sony is reading this, there are a good collection of lenses here...