Supposedly will be announced within ninety days.I was waiting for this lens but now probably will not buy it.I have not picked up my 85 GM in a year for starters mainly due to size and weight and I seldom shoot portraits. When I do I like my 50 GM, Voigtlander 40 r 50 APO or my 135 GM.But my main reason is the 85 GM provides excellent portraits and is plenty sharp for portraits. Too much sharpness is not always a good thing for portraits and I find the excellent rendering and bokeh of the 85 GM more than sufficient.Like to hear what others think though.

terryreid wrote:Supposedly will be announced within ninety days.I was waiting for this lens but now probably will not buy it.I have not picked up my 85 GM in a year for starters mainly due to size and weight and I seldom shoot portraits. When I do I like my 50 GM, Voigtlander 40 r 50 APO or my 135 GM.But my main reason is the 85 GM provides excellent portraits and is plenty sharp for portraits. Too much sharpness is not always a good thing for portraits and I find the excellent rendering and bokeh of the 85 GM more than sufficient.Like to hear what others think though.Fast accurate autofocus in low light is the main improvement I am looking for.I used to have the Sony 85mm 1.8.  Replaced it with the Samyang 85 1.4 because I prefer the SY rendering.  Autofocus on the SY is not great.  I was considering the Sigma, but willing to wait to see how the new GM performs.

I own the current 85 GM, but it is my least favourite among the GMs. I'm quite looking forward to an 85 f/1.2 GM. It may be a little lighter (weird, for an f/1.2, but Sony's new lenses are generally lighter...), it will definitely have ultra fast focus, and it is likely to be so sharp you may cut yourself. I very much like the 50 f/1.2 GM, and I expect the 85 version to be just as good.Surprised you don't want a sharp 85mm, though, given you like the 135 GM, which is extraordinarily sharp.I doubt the claim that the rumour is from a Sony manager - a Sony manager who leaks isn't likely to stay employed by Sony for long. Well, unless it's a "calibrated leak" intended to raise excitement for a forthcoming lens. Guess we'll see.

I will pre-order it as soon as I can.

terryreid wrote:Supposedly will be announced within ninety days.I was waiting for this lens but now probably will not buy it.I have not picked up my 85 GM in a year for starters mainly due to size and weight and I seldom shoot portraits. When I do I like my 50 GM, Voigtlander 40 r 50 APO or my 135 GM.But my main reason is the 85 GM provides excellent portraits and is plenty sharp for portraits. Too much sharpness is not always a good thing for portraits and I find the excellent rendering and bokeh of the 85 GM more than sufficient.Like to hear what others think though.I also really like the 85GM. It was my first lens in the FE line-up. For fashion shoots it is still my go-to lens. However, there are two things that I would like better is a new lens: 1) faster autofocus and 2) better focus with closed down aperture. And please keep the quality of the round bokeh in a new lens. For the rest the lens may stay the same; the ultimate sharpness is fine, but not required for portraits and fashion.

A 85/1.2 lens will have a front lens diameter of at least 71 mm. So this is probably a 82 mm filter thread lens that may be a bit shorter and lighter than the 135/1.8 but not that much. As the 50/1.2 is a quite recent lens, I assume that weight will fall right between that and the 135 mm. So, overall my guess is that this lens will be almost 90 mm in diameter, with a length of about 115 mm and a weight of around 850 g. With this, it would be close to the present 85/1.4, and keeping the dimensions while making the lens half a stop faster would be in line with what Sony did in the past. And it would be much more compact and lighter than the upcoming Nikkor Z, if I'm not too optimistic.And still, I would prefer a 85/1.4 a little bit, because with the progress Sony made with lens design during the last few years, a new one would be much more compact and lighter than the first generation, and thus also much more compact and lighter than a 1.2. There is one thing that would still let me gravitate towards a 1.2 nevertheless, and that's the bokeh. A 1.2 will probably still have a shallow enough depth of field at 1.6 or 1.8 for most purposes, and will probably have lost any cats-eye at that point, as opposed to a 1.4.All that being said, let's wait and see

AlephNull wrote:I own the current 85 GM, but it is my least favourite among the GMs. I'm quite looking forward to an 85 f/1.2 GM. It may be a little lighter (weird, for an f/1.2, but Sony's new lenses are generally lighter...), it will definitely have ultra fast focus, and it is likely to be so sharp you may cut yourself. I very much like the 50 f/1.2 GM, and I expect the 85 version to be just as good.Surprised you don't want a sharp 85mm, though, given you like the 135 GM, which is extraordinarily sharp.I doubt the claim that the rumour is from a Sony manager - a Sony manager who leaks isn't likely to stay employed by Sony for long. Well, unless it's a "calibrated leak" intended to raise excitement for a forthcoming lens. Guess we'll see.I forgot about much faster AF and it will be lighter which is my main gripe about the GM but I don't use the FL enough to warrant it many others do. My Voigtlander 110 and 50 GM get a lot of use. With high MP cameras having every FL covered is not as important anymore.

Arcimboldo wrote:A 85/1.2 lens will have a front lens diameter of at least 71 mm. So this is probably a 82 mm filter thread lens that may be a bit shorter and lighter than the 135/1.8 but not that much. As the 50/1.2 is a quite recent lens, I assume that weight will fall right between that and the 135 mm. So, overall my guess is that this lens will be almost 90 mm in diameter, with a length of about 115 mm and a weight of around 850 g. With this, it would be close to the present 85/1.4, and keeping the dimensions while making the lens half a stop faster would be in line with what Sony did in the past. And it would be much more compact and lighter than the upcoming Nikkor Z, if I'm not too optimistic.And still, I would prefer a 85/1.4 a little bit, because with the progress Sony made with lens design during the last few years, a new one would be much more compact and lighter than the first generation, and thus also much more compact and lighter than a 1.2. There is one thing that would still let me gravitate towards a 1.2 nevertheless, and that's the bokeh. A 1.2 will probably still have a shallow enough depth of field at 1.6 or 1.8 for most purposes, and will probably have lost any cats-eye at that point, as opposed to a 1.4.All that being said, let's wait and seeI agree with you on 1.2 lenses I do not shoot wide open as a tick or two more is where they really shine. But when you start at closing  down a 1.2 that tick or two is less than when starting with a 1.4 lens.I do not shoot at 85 so the only reason at all would have been smaller lighter and better AF. If I am going to carry the weight I will use my 135 GM. What is the difference between 57 and 59 ounces on my A1, you would need a scale to tell the difference

I'm just thinking, how practical f1.2 would be in portraiture at 85mm. Even the excellent 50mm at f1.2 is very close to giving you a mugshot with eyes in focus and tip of the nose/ears dissolved into (admittedly beautiful) bokeh,At 85 and in "reasonable" portrait distance, I think f1.2 would be an overkill and the price/bulk will be ridiculous. If subject separation is the goal, as desire for such large aperture suggests,I'd opt for the cheaper and fantastic 135 f1.8 GM instead

Skromny_Tomasz wrote:I'm just thinking, how practical f1.2 would be in portraiture at 85mm. Even the excellent 50mm at f1.2 is very close to giving you a mugshot with eyes in focus and tip of the nose/ears dissolved into (admittedly beautiful) bokeh,At 85 and in "reasonable" portrait distance, I think f1.2 would be an overkill and the price/bulk will be ridiculous. If subject separation is the goal, as desire for such large aperture suggests,I'd opt for the cheaper and fantastic 135 f1.8 GM insteadI agree, but there are some that say they need the 1.2 over 1.4.I am interested because I assume the new GM will improve AF, while still maintaining smoothness.  1.4 in an 85mm is more than enough for me.

I won't be in line to buy one. My GM is fine since I almost never shoot a portrait at f/1.4. Better focusing would be great, but at what cost in size and weight? I have the FE 85mm f/1.8 if I want/need faster or low-light focusing.