Perhaps it was overexposure and underdevelopment...

Most will put a great portrait lens like an 85 f1.2 on a 1d3 or a 5d.The older lenses like a 85 f1.8 and 50 f1.4 -- staple portrait lenses for the XXd users over the years have been hosed...by more mplx'shttp://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1019&message=29860822above ISO 2000 - I agree with you, both are toys....but ISO 1600 is worse on the 50d where dynamic range and shadow noise matter to the shot.DPP doesn't cut it for efficient selection and higher level processing like complex tone curves, split tones, etc as I've pointed to the power of LR efficient processing and presets in this thread. -- MAC

complaining or wanting more...IQ, iso, the works. Just a fact that new innovations will keep coming regardless of recessions etc.

carlkwrote:I wonder why there are still people that believe 50D has worse noise than 40D.First of all, I don't believe. This has beenmeasuredand acknowledged - even by the positive 50D reviews.The people who really believe in the better 50D ISO are the ones arguing that you need to downsize before you compare.But you don’t need to downsize 5DII images to see that it has the same noise as the 5D classic. It should have been the same with the 50D vs 40D – and it’s not.You must have closed your eyes when those clean high ISO images were posted during the past two months.I've done my share of pixel-peeping - and that's I'm am basing my conclusions on.

Btw, since it's a lost cause to argue with internal beliefs, here are some facts. These are the DSLR sales numbers for 2008 in Japan.I think looking at the D80 vs 40D sales, it's straightforward to see why Canon needed the 50D ASAP.And looking at the D90 vs 50D sales, it's also straightforward to see why Canon dropped the 50D price with 24% one month after introduction.Canon could not fool buyers to pay more for the extra megapixels on the 50D. The market considers the 50D and the D90 to be in the same class - an no amount of megapixels can change that.Full article:http://www.slashgear.com/two-big-continue-to-stomp-digital-slr-market-in-japan-3128291/

The 50D has higher resolution than the 40D - period. The testing done on this website was flawed in that a different f stop was used and the point of focus was different. Download the whole image from the test and look afor the sharpest points on both the image from the 40D and the 50D and you wil see that the 50D has more detail.As for per pixel sharpness at 100%, the 50D is inferior to the 40D - it has to be if you are using the same lens! Remember that when you are looking at 100% crops you are NOT comparing like with like. 100% for a high resolution (high density) sensor means that the crop you are looking at is of a smaller portion of the whole image and will display less detail, but across the WHOLE image, detail or resolution is increased.Complaining that the 50D is somehow flawed because it doesn't have the same per pixel sharpness as the 40D is like complaining that the latest sharpest and least grainy film is inferior because it resolves less lines per hundred "grains" (or whatever equivalent to pixel you would care to name).Don't believe me? Don't care! These are the facts and if you are contemplating either the 40D or 50D take images under the same conditions and settings and make some A3 prints. The difference is there and it is real.

but at ISO 1600 the 50d has more noise, so when you clean up damaged goods out of the shoot--you end up with less...not moreChris59wrote:The 50D has higher resolution than the 40D - period. The testing done on this website was flawed in that a different f stop was used and the point of focus was different. Download the whole image from the test and look afor the sharpest points on both the image from the 40D and the 50D and you wil see that the 50D has more detail.As for per pixel sharpness at 100%, the 50D is inferior to the 40D - it has to be if you are using the same lens! Remember that when you are looking at 100% crops you are NOT comparing like with like. 100% for a high resolution (high density) sensor means that the crop you are looking at is of a smaller portion of the whole image and will display less detail, but across the WHOLE image, detail or resolution is increased.Complaining that the 50D is somehow flawed because it doesn't have the same per pixel sharpness as the 40D is like complaining that the latest sharpest and least grainy film is inferior because it resolves less lines per hundred "grains" (or whatever equivalent to pixel you would care to name).Don't believe me? Don't care! These are the facts and if you are contemplating either the 40D or 50D take images under the same conditions and settings and make some A3 prints. The difference is there and it is real.

Chris59wrote:The 50D has higher resolution than the 40D - period.This is true. But noise is more noise too - period.This has been measured, I'm not making it up and I'm not basing it on internal beliefs.As for per pixel sharpness at 100%, the 50D is inferior to the 40D - it has to be if you are using the same lens!Not necessarily. I replied to this in another thread. Per pixel sharpness at 100% has been the same for 6, 8, 10, and 12mp.The 50D is the first camera breaking the trend - because at12mp, we are already at the lens resolution limits.If Canon are stupid enough to do it, we'll see that 16-18mp will resolve even more than 15mp – but with even worse per-pixel sharpness.And at 20mp+, there would be no extra detail anymore and only much, much worse pixel level sharpness.

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/reviews/cameras/50d.shtml...that have to be downsampled to get rid of... ie, damaged goods--too many consumer mpxl's