José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:But I don’t need to convince you lot. I need to convince my wife. 😁I had a little bit of time before I picked up lunch so I went to the camera store. I specifically asked the camera salesman to show me just two cameras: R6MKII and the Sony A7IV. He laid out to me side-by-side. Just on ergo and pure handling---I'm not getting the Sony. My right hand fits tight on the grip with a 24-105/4 G lens. But the Canon fits perfect. Love it!!The mechanical shutters of both cameras at high speed bursts sound nice but the Canon is more muted.I told the salesman that I have some EF lenses namely the 50L and 85/1.2LII. So he whipped out the EF 50L put the adapter and handed it to me. With the adapter it doesn't look long at all. He grabbed the camera again and set it up to shoot bursts first mechanically and then with the electronic shutter. He then gout out behind the glass counter so I he can pose for me standing and waiving his hand. Wow, I was really impressed. So the eye AF square box is blue huh? I'm kinda used to green :-).I told him to give me a quote of the R6MKII + adapter + vertical grip. I was tempted to hand him my credit card but fortunately had the discipline not to.Blue because AF Servo.  AF One Shot is green.I’ve been tempted to go in and play around, but I don’t want to get the salesperson’s hopes up.  Small store.  Not a lot of walk through traffic.  Sounds fun though.Did the same thing when we got the RP.  Picked up a Sony and just didn’t like it.

JustUs7 wrote:José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:But I don’t need to convince you lot. I need to convince my wife. 😁I had a little bit of time before I picked up lunch so I went to the camera store. I specifically asked the camera salesman to show me just two cameras: R6MKII and the Sony A7IV. He laid out to me side-by-side. Just on ergo and pure handling---I'm not getting the Sony. My right hand fits tight on the grip with a 24-105/4 G lens. But the Canon fits perfect. Love it!!The mechanical shutters of both cameras at high speed bursts sound nice but the Canon is more muted.I told the salesman that I have some EF lenses namely the 50L and 85/1.2LII. So he whipped out the EF 50L put the adapter and handed it to me. With the adapter it doesn't look long at all. He grabbed the camera again and set it up to shoot bursts first mechanically and then with the electronic shutter. He then gout out behind the glass counter so I he can pose for me standing and waiving his hand. Wow, I was really impressed. So the eye AF square box is blue huh? I'm kinda used to green :-).I told him to give me a quote of the R6MKII + adapter + vertical grip. I was tempted to hand him my credit card but fortunately had the discipline not to.Blue because AF Servo. AF One Shot is green.Ok that's good to know.I’ve been tempted to go in and play around, but I don’t want to get the salesperson’s hopes up. Small store. Not a lot of walk through traffic. Sounds fun though.Did the same thing when we got the RP. Picked up a Sony and just didn’t like it.The salesman didn't give me any indication that he was disappointed that I walked out without me giving him a sale. As soon as he gave me the written quote he seemed genuinely pleased that he did a great job in demonstrating the product to me.

José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:But I don’t need to convince you lot. I need to convince my wife. 😁I had a little bit of time before I picked up lunch so I went to the camera store. I specifically asked the camera salesman to show me just two cameras: R6MKII and the Sony A7IV. He laid out to me side-by-side. Just on ergo and pure handling---I'm not getting the Sony.Yeah, I know what you mean, however, when you want to attach an 85mm option being sharper than your EF f/1.2 mkII and brighter than f/2.0 I can tell you that A7IV feels a lot better.My right hand fits tight on the grip with a 24-105/4 G lens. But the Canon fits perfect. Love it!!The mechanical shutters of both cameras at high speed bursts sound nice but the Canon is more muted.I told the salesman that I have some EF lenses namely the 50L and 85/1.2LII. So he whipped out the EF 50L put the adapter and handed it to me. With the adapter it doesn't look long at all. He grabbed the camera again and set it up to shoot bursts first mechanically and then with the electronic shutter. He then gout out behind the glass counter so I he can pose for me standing and waiving his hand. Wow, I was really impressed. So the eye AF square box is blue huh? I'm kinda used to green :-).I told him to give me a quote of the R6MKII + adapter + vertical grip. I was tempted to hand him my credit card but fortunately had the discipline not to.

José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:But I don’t need to convince you lot. I need to convince my wife. 😁I had a little bit of time before I picked up lunch so I went to the camera store. I specifically asked the camera salesman to show me just two cameras: R6MKII and the Sony A7IV. He laid out to me side-by-side. Just on ergo and pure handling---I'm not getting the Sony. My right hand fits tight on the grip with a 24-105/4 G lens. But the Canon fits perfect. Love it!!The mechanical shutters of both cameras at high speed bursts sound nice but the Canon is more muted.I told the salesman that I have some EF lenses namely the 50L and 85/1.2LII. So he whipped out the EF 50L put the adapter and handed it to me. With the adapter it doesn't look long at all. He grabbed the camera again and set it up to shoot bursts first mechanically and then with the electronic shutter. He then gout out behind the glass counter so I he can pose for me standing and waiving his hand. Wow, I was really impressed. So the eye AF square box is blue huh? I'm kinda used to green :-).I told him to give me a quote of the R6MKII + adapter + vertical grip. I was tempted to hand him my credit card but fortunately had the discipline not to.Blue because AF Servo. AF One Shot is green.Ok that's good to know.I’ve been tempted to go in and play around, but I don’t want to get the salesperson’s hopes up. Small store. Not a lot of walk through traffic. Sounds fun though.Did the same thing when we got the RP. Picked up a Sony and just didn’t like it.The salesman didn't give me any indication that he was disappointed that I walked out without me giving him a sale. As soon as he gave me the written quote he seemed genuinely pleased that he did a great job in demonstrating the product to me.So did the salesman of my local camera shop when he showed me the A7IV.   The next time I went there I purchased it.  Paired with the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DN or 50mm GM it's a dream. Beside these lenses it's Canon having the better bodies, no question. However, at some point I just need a Sony to shoot the bright fast focusing compact primes I want.Your salesman is waiting for you. He knows you will be back one day.

thunder storm wrote:José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:But I don’t need to convince you lot. I need to convince my wife. 😁I had a little bit of time before I picked up lunch so I went to the camera store. I specifically asked the camera salesman to show me just two cameras: R6MKII and the Sony A7IV. He laid out to me side-by-side. Just on ergo and pure handling---I'm not getting the Sony. My right hand fits tight on the grip with a 24-105/4 G lens. But the Canon fits perfect. Love it!!The mechanical shutters of both cameras at high speed bursts sound nice but the Canon is more muted.I told the salesman that I have some EF lenses namely the 50L and 85/1.2LII. So he whipped out the EF 50L put the adapter and handed it to me. With the adapter it doesn't look long at all. He grabbed the camera again and set it up to shoot bursts first mechanically and then with the electronic shutter. He then gout out behind the glass counter so I he can pose for me standing and waiving his hand. Wow, I was really impressed. So the eye AF square box is blue huh? I'm kinda used to green :-).I told him to give me a quote of the R6MKII + adapter + vertical grip. I was tempted to hand him my credit card but fortunately had the discipline not to.Blue because AF Servo. AF One Shot is green.Ok that's good to know.I’ve been tempted to go in and play around, but I don’t want to get the salesperson’s hopes up. Small store. Not a lot of walk through traffic. Sounds fun though.Did the same thing when we got the RP. Picked up a Sony and just didn’t like it.The salesman didn't give me any indication that he was disappointed that I walked out without me giving him a sale. As soon as he gave me the written quote he seemed genuinely pleased that he did a great job in demonstrating the product to me.So did the salesman of my local camera shop when he showed me the A7IV. The next time I went there I purchased it. Paired with the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DN or 50mm GM it's a dream. Beside these lenses it's Canon having the better bodies, no question. However, at some point I just need a Sony to shoot the bright fast focusing compact primes I want.Your salesman is waiting for you. He knows you will be back one day.Whoa, another multi-system user! Well that's the thing---I love both systems. I don't have the 50 and 85 GM but I do have the fantastic 135/1.8 GM. This is why I am waiting for the A6600 replacement. Love using it for sports (indoor volleyball, outdoor tennis). With that combo (with the A6600), it's very stadium friendly as opposed to arriving at a gate with an A9 + 70-200/2.8 II GM-----that combo is begging for 'hey buddy, where is your press pass?'Notwithstanding the A6600 replacement (since we have no idea when that will happen), I am tempted just to get the R6MKII. My 135/2 L will be short especially with 24 MP. I can either add the 1.4x TC (tried that combo before with the 5DS and it still focuses fast) or maybe get a used 200/2.8 L. Or I can just use my EF 70-200/2.8 L IS and get a black sleeve so that it doesn't look professional LOL.

José B wrote:thunder storm wrote:José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:But I don’t need to convince you lot. I need to convince my wife. 😁I had a little bit of time before I picked up lunch so I went to the camera store. I specifically asked the camera salesman to show me just two cameras: R6MKII and the Sony A7IV. He laid out to me side-by-side. Just on ergo and pure handling---I'm not getting the Sony. My right hand fits tight on the grip with a 24-105/4 G lens. But the Canon fits perfect. Love it!!The mechanical shutters of both cameras at high speed bursts sound nice but the Canon is more muted.I told the salesman that I have some EF lenses namely the 50L and 85/1.2LII. So he whipped out the EF 50L put the adapter and handed it to me. With the adapter it doesn't look long at all. He grabbed the camera again and set it up to shoot bursts first mechanically and then with the electronic shutter. He then gout out behind the glass counter so I he can pose for me standing and waiving his hand. Wow, I was really impressed. So the eye AF square box is blue huh? I'm kinda used to green :-).I told him to give me a quote of the R6MKII + adapter + vertical grip. I was tempted to hand him my credit card but fortunately had the discipline not to.Blue because AF Servo. AF One Shot is green.Ok that's good to know.I’ve been tempted to go in and play around, but I don’t want to get the salesperson’s hopes up. Small store. Not a lot of walk through traffic. Sounds fun though.Did the same thing when we got the RP. Picked up a Sony and just didn’t like it.The salesman didn't give me any indication that he was disappointed that I walked out without me giving him a sale. As soon as he gave me the written quote he seemed genuinely pleased that he did a great job in demonstrating the product to me.So did the salesman of my local camera shop when he showed me the A7IV. The next time I went there I purchased it. Paired with the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DN or 50mm GM it's a dream. Beside these lenses it's Canon having the better bodies, no question. However, at some point I just need a Sony to shoot the bright fast focusing compact primes I want.Your salesman is waiting for you. He knows you will be back one day.Whoa, another multi-system user! Well that's the thing---I love both systems. I don't have the 50 and 85 GM but I do have the fantastic 135/1.8 GM. This is why I am waiting for the A6600 replacement. Love using it for sports (indoor volleyball, outdoor tennis). With that combo (with the A6600), it's very stadium friendly as opposed to arriving at a gate with an A9 + 70-200/2.8 II GM-----that combo is begging for 'hey buddy, where is your press pass?'Notwithstanding the A6600 replacement (since we have no idea when that will happen), I am tempted just to get the R6MKII. My 135/2 L will be short especially with 24 MP. I can either add the 1.4x TC (tried that combo before with the 5DS and it still focuses fast) or maybe get a used 200/2.8 L. Or I can just use my EF 70-200/2.8 L IS and get a black sleeve so that it doesn't look professional LOL.If you don't need IS I would vote for the EF 200mm f/2.8 USM.  These lenses are cheap as chips, AF fast, and do the same thing on full frame as 135mm f/1.8 on crop.

thunder storm wrote:José B wrote:thunder storm wrote:José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:But I don’t need to convince you lot. I need to convince my wife. 😁I had a little bit of time before I picked up lunch so I went to the camera store. I specifically asked the camera salesman to show me just two cameras: R6MKII and the Sony A7IV. He laid out to me side-by-side. Just on ergo and pure handling---I'm not getting the Sony. My right hand fits tight on the grip with a 24-105/4 G lens. But the Canon fits perfect. Love it!!The mechanical shutters of both cameras at high speed bursts sound nice but the Canon is more muted.I told the salesman that I have some EF lenses namely the 50L and 85/1.2LII. So he whipped out the EF 50L put the adapter and handed it to me. With the adapter it doesn't look long at all. He grabbed the camera again and set it up to shoot bursts first mechanically and then with the electronic shutter. He then gout out behind the glass counter so I he can pose for me standing and waiving his hand. Wow, I was really impressed. So the eye AF square box is blue huh? I'm kinda used to green :-).I told him to give me a quote of the R6MKII + adapter + vertical grip. I was tempted to hand him my credit card but fortunately had the discipline not to.Blue because AF Servo. AF One Shot is green.Ok that's good to know.I’ve been tempted to go in and play around, but I don’t want to get the salesperson’s hopes up. Small store. Not a lot of walk through traffic. Sounds fun though.Did the same thing when we got the RP. Picked up a Sony and just didn’t like it.The salesman didn't give me any indication that he was disappointed that I walked out without me giving him a sale. As soon as he gave me the written quote he seemed genuinely pleased that he did a great job in demonstrating the product to me.So did the salesman of my local camera shop when he showed me the A7IV. The next time I went there I purchased it. Paired with the Sigma 85mm f/1.4 DN or 50mm GM it's a dream. Beside these lenses it's Canon having the better bodies, no question. However, at some point I just need a Sony to shoot the bright fast focusing compact primes I want.Your salesman is waiting for you. He knows you will be back one day.Whoa, another multi-system user! Well that's the thing---I love both systems. I don't have the 50 and 85 GM but I do have the fantastic 135/1.8 GM. This is why I am waiting for the A6600 replacement. Love using it for sports (indoor volleyball, outdoor tennis). With that combo (with the A6600), it's very stadium friendly as opposed to arriving at a gate with an A9 + 70-200/2.8 II GM-----that combo is begging for 'hey buddy, where is your press pass?'Notwithstanding the A6600 replacement (since we have no idea when that will happen), I am tempted just to get the R6MKII. My 135/2 L will be short especially with 24 MP. I can either add the 1.4x TC (tried that combo before with the 5DS and it still focuses fast) or maybe get a used 200/2.8 L. Or I can just use my EF 70-200/2.8 L IS and get a black sleeve so that it doesn't look professional LOL.If you don't need IS I would vote for the EF 200mm f/2.8 USM. These lenses are cheap as chips, AF fast, and do the same thing on full frame as 135mm f/1.8 on crop.yeah, I used to have the 200/2.8 L a long time ago. Recently, I found one selling at KEH for less than US$ 600.

Okay, so in a new development, I have the okay for the R6II or R8.  Not enthusiastic support- but an understanding and an okay to move forward.  I also have the cash separate and distinct from any budgeted spending or saving.Now I just need to see if I can make such a big expense on a camera pass my own sleep at night test.  😂.  The mental price of being a saver at heart.

JustUs7 wrote:Okay, so in a new development, I have the okay for the R6II or R8. Not enthusiastic support- but an understanding and an okay to move forward. I also have the cash separate and distinct from any budgeted spending or saving.Now I just need to see if I can make such a big expense on a camera pass my own sleep at night test. 😂. The mental price of being a saver at heart.Fantastic!I'd certainly say get the R6II not the R8 IMHO - I'd sooner personally have a R6 classic, even if a  near minty used camera with dealer warranty to save on GAS guilt...

JustUs7 wrote:Okay, so in a new development, I have the okay for the R6II or R8. Not enthusiastic support- but an understanding and an okay to move forward. I also have the cash separate and distinct from any budgeted spending or saving.Now I just need to see if I can make such a big expense on a camera pass my own sleep at night test. 😂. The mental price of being a saver at heart.I briefly wrestled with this choice, but went for the R6II. I just ordered it through Canon Pricewatch. I'm selling my R and a couple of lens adapters (EF-R, and EF-M), because I don't have any EF mount lenses anymore (I'm getting the basic adapter thrown in with my R6II as part of the deal, so I'll have one just in case I ever want to get another EF lens). For me, the R6II advantages (mostly IBIS, but also things like having all three shutter modes, and a faster  top shutter speed, and better battery life) are worth it, but the smaller size of the R8 is also tempting. The other advantage of the R6II right now is that it is currently available.

Leaning toward a trade in of the RP plus 24-240 kit with hood for the R6II with the 24-105 f/4 L.  Mostly to complete the environmental sealing due to a couple of planned trips this summer.  I have the RF 100-400. So while I’ll miss the full 10x range, I have it covered if needed.  I think I can get enough for my set up to pay for the upgraded kit.

Congrats Alastair,It will be a dream with your 70-200.

thunder storm wrote:Congrats Alastair,It will be a dream with your 70-200.Thanks. I'm certainly looking forward to trying out that combination.

Alastair Norcross wrote:JustUs7 wrote:Okay, so in a new development, I have the okay for the R6II or R8. Not enthusiastic support- but an understanding and an okay to move forward. I also have the cash separate and distinct from any budgeted spending or saving.Now I just need to see if I can make such a big expense on a camera pass my own sleep at night test. 😂. The mental price of being a saver at heart.I briefly wrestled with this choice, but went for the R6II. I just ordered it through Canon Pricewatch. I'm selling my R and a couple of lens adapters (EF-R, and EF-M), because I don't have any EF mount lenses anymore (I'm getting the basic adapter thrown in with my R6II as part of the deal, so I'll have one just in case I ever want to get another EF lens). For me, the R6II advantages (mostly IBIS, but also things like having all three shutter modes, and a faster top shutter speed, and better battery life) are worth it, but the smaller size of the R8 is also tempting. The other advantage of the R6II right now is that it is currently available.congrats!I think you also get a shutter life of 400,000 vs R8's 100,000and the buffer holds moreI had to go R8 for budget which is fineI'm seeing two sites that say the 40 fps is hi+ and the 20 fps is hiI'll use the hi 20 fps setting for up to 200 c-rawRF F4L has the IS for mebest wishes

JustUs7 wrote:Leaning toward a trade in of the RP plus 24-240 kit with hood for the R6II withthe 24-105 f/4 L.RF 24-105 F4L with -6.5EV (-3.2 EV @ F4) and dxoPL6 will focus in full moonlight and be useable up to iso 25,600 !!!Mostly to complete the environmental sealing due to a couple of planned trips this summer. I have the RF 100-400. So while I’ll miss the full 10x range, I have it covered if needed. I think I can get enough for my set up to pay for the upgraded kit.

MarshallG wrote:“As hobbies go, photography is a heck of a lot cheaper than… motorcycles, speed boats, car racing… really, it’s one of the least expensive hobbies out there.”Amen!  Quite often this is what I will tell my wife.  Lots of car collectors near me and I'm sure that is a much more expensive hobby than cameras and lenses, etc.

José B wrote:JustUs7 wrote:But I don’t need to convince you lot. I need to convince my wife. 😁I had a little bit of time before I picked up lunch so I went to the camera store. I specifically asked the camera salesman to show me just two cameras: R6MKII and the Sony A7IV. He laid out to me side-by-side. Just on ergo and pure handling---I'm not getting the Sony. My right hand fits tight on the grip with a 24-105/4 G lens. But the Canon fits perfect. Love it!!The mechanical shutters of both cameras at high speed bursts sound nice but the Canon is more muted.I told the salesman that I have some EF lenses namely the 50L and 85/1.2LII. So he whipped out the EF 50L put the adapter and handed it to me. With the adapter it doesn't look long at all. He grabbed the camera again and set it up to shoot bursts first mechanically and then with the electronic shutter. He then gout out behind the glass counter so I he can pose for me standing and waiving his hand. Wow, I was really impressed. So the eye AF square box is blue huh? I'm kinda used to green :-).I told him to give me a quote of the R6MKII + adapter + vertical grip. I was tempted to hand him my credit card but fortunately had the discipline not to.I went back to the store and gave him the sale. I thought I could wait it out for spring but I saw a couple of stores had a CDN $ 100 discount on the BG-R10 so I went for it. If the fries are on sale, might as well get the burger

Almost did it. Had the kit on hold. Offered me less than I planned for my kit so I had a bail. Couldn’t in good conscience shell out $3,000 plus out of pocket.So I contacted MPB. They are offering what I expected for my kit. So I decided to part with my RP body only. I’ll ship that to MPB, then it’s only about $2,000 after taxes for the body only after the funds from MPB. And I still have my 24-240 to pair with it for hiking.Now I need to wait for my shop to have it in stock. Which is trying my patience because B&H has it, but I want to support local. I don’t need it right away, but my son does have some games coming up. So hopefully not too long.

JustUs7 wrote:Almost did it. Had the kit on hold. Offered me less than I planned for my kit so I had a bail. Couldn’t in good conscience shell out $3,000 plus out of pocket.So I contacted MPB. They are offering what I expected for my kit. So I decided to part with my RP body only. I’ll ship that to MPB, then it’s only about $2,000 after taxes for the body only after the funds from MPB. And I still have my 24-240 to pair with it for hiking.Now I need to wait for my shop to have it in stock. Which is trying my patience because B&H has it, but I want to support local. I don’t need it right away, but my son does have some games coming up. So hopefully not too long.u have IS on your 3 RF lenseswhy not keep your RP, and put in for the R8 - like me

MAC wrote:JustUs7 wrote:Almost did it. Had the kit on hold. Offered me less than I planned for my kit so I had a bail. Couldn’t in good conscience shell out $3,000 plus out of pocket.So I contacted MPB. They are offering what I expected for my kit. So I decided to part with my RP body only. I’ll ship that to MPB, then it’s only about $2,000 after taxes for the body only after the funds from MPB. And I still have my 24-240 to pair with it for hiking.Now I need to wait for my shop to have it in stock. Which is trying my patience because B&H has it, but I want to support local. I don’t need it right away, but my son does have some games coming up. So hopefully not too long.u have IS on your 3 RF lenseswhy not keep your RP, and put in for the R8 - like meReplacing a camcorder and Christmas video can go longer than two hours. Don’t want to pay attention. And I want a separate video and still card. Plus I already had to rescue my RP due to environmental damage once. R6II isn’t water proof but it will be better sealed than the RP. I suspect the R8 won’t be. Maybe next year I’ll add my first L lens. I suspect the 24-240 will hold value better than the RP once the R8 comes out, so as good a time as any to sell.I have IS on four of mine.  But the 16 f/2.8 will benefit from the IBIS on vacation this summer too.