its a good thing that people have other opinions and make different choices. as for me im having a blast with my used q2m and do not regret one day of ownership. focus speed and a higher mpx count wont tempt me for a while at least (until good used ones become available) maybe.

nearly-an-old-codger wrote:its a good thing that people have other opinions and make different choices. as for me im having a blast with my used q2m and do not regret one day of ownership. focus speed and a higher mpx count wont tempt me for a while at least (until good used ones become available) maybe.Definitely a fun camera!!!

You’re making an assumption it will have phase detection. I’m not so sure it needs it: after all it’s not a camera you use for sports photography and for street, use manual zone focus. Sorted.

nearly-an-old-codger wrote:……. focus speed and a higher mpx count wont tempt me for a while at least (until good used ones become available) maybe.Interestingly, I’ve never had a focus issue or failure to focus.  In the absence of mechanical failure, I have to attribute it to trying to focus on something that won’t be focused on by any camera. My Q2 has always, and continues, to focus on anything I’m shooting.  For a contrast focus - there has to be appropriate contrast.

Seems the accessibility of the Q series has introduced thoughts that Leica would follow a rapid update cycle.Leica is not Fuji.

DenverSteve wrote:nearly-an-old-codger wrote:……. focus speed and a higher mpx count wont tempt me for a while at least (until good used ones become available) maybe.Interestingly, I’ve never had a focus issue or failure to focus. In the absence of mechanical failure, I have to attribute it to trying to focus on something that won’t be focused on by any camera. My Q2 has always, and continues, to focus on anything I’m shooting. For a contrast focus - there has to be appropriate contrast.Thanks Steve. After checking with Leica, I was told that what I'm seeing is normal behavior due to the type of autofocus this camera uses. I'm just used to a different type of AF and have trouble adapting to the Q2's AF. Just a matter of preference.Thanks for all your help.

Le Chef wrote:You’re making an assumption it will have phase detection. I’m not so sure it needs it: after all it’s not a camera you use for sports photography and for street, use manual zone focus. Sorted.Exactly. No AF needed then.Of course, lots of folks shooting street really like Eye AF. Probably one of the reasons why Leica put it on the Q2.

Eye AF is a waste of time: it can’t think for you and picks the face nearest the camera. Plenty of times that’s not the face you want to focus on. DIY still works best.

Le Chef wrote:Eye AF is a waste of time: it can’t think for you and picks the face nearest the camera. Plenty of times that’s not the face you want to focus on. DIY still works best.Each to their own.

Hoka Hey wrote:Le Chef wrote:You're implying that the Q2 will cease to function the day the Q3 launches despite many current happy Q2 owners. You also imply that you might want to sell your Q2 once the Q3 arrives with your unwritten concerns about value of the older model.If these really are concerns, then the smartest thing to do is either buy a preowned Q2 now and enjoy it, knowing its value has already declined. Or wait for the Q3, and wait...and wait...and wait...Thanks. The Q2 is a very nice camera. The Q2 lens is stellar. However, the body is 4 year old tech. In the end, the phase detect AF was the deal breaker. So, I'm returning it tomorrow.For me, the Q3 will be a treat. It's just fun. I don't mind waiting for it and hoping that Leica makes the upgrades I'm hoping for. I'm very happy shooting with the gear that I have until it comes out.Best,I may be way off the mark, but I wonder if the user experience of a Q3 will be significantly different - incremental AF improvement and more MP, I'd be surprised if it feels much different in the hand and in use.I just don't think the kind of AF you are looking for (which seems to be sony/canon/nikon kind of AF) is likely to land in a reliable way even in a new version.  I may be wrongYou see it with the GFX cameras - on paper the GFX100 has phase detect and speed improvements, but if you pick up a GFX50sii and a 100s, the real world differences are very minor, and eye AF isn't hugely improved - I think the Q2 to Q3 will be similar.

MattPointZero wrote:Hoka Hey wrote:Le Chef wrote:You're implying that the Q2 will cease to function the day the Q3 launches despite many current happy Q2 owners. You also imply that you might want to sell your Q2 once the Q3 arrives with your unwritten concerns about value of the older model.If these really are concerns, then the smartest thing to do is either buy a preowned Q2 now and enjoy it, knowing its value has already declined. Or wait for the Q3, and wait...and wait...and wait...Thanks. The Q2 is a very nice camera. The Q2 lens is stellar. However, the body is 4 year old tech. In the end, the phase detect AF was the deal breaker. So, I'm returning it tomorrow.For me, the Q3 will be a treat. It's just fun. I don't mind waiting for it and hoping that Leica makes the upgrades I'm hoping for. I'm very happy shooting with the gear that I have until it comes out.Best,I may be way off the mark, but I wonder if the user experience of a Q3 will be significantly different - incremental AF improvement and more MP, I'd be surprised if it feels much different in the hand and in use.I just don't think the kind of AF you are looking for (which seems to be sony/canon/nikon kind of AF) is likely to land in a reliable way even in a new version. I may be wrongYou see it with the GFX cameras - on paper the GFX100 has phase detect and speed improvements, but if you pick up a GFX50sii and a 100s, the real world differences are very minor, and eye AF isn't hugely improved - I think the Q2 to Q3 will be similar.Thanks. I'm hoping that the user experience will be improved. Lots has happened with cameras in the last 4 years.For what it's worth, the AF in the GFX 100 wasn't an issue.Anyhow, I'm looking forward to see what Leica comes up with. It's all just fun.

DenverSteve wrote:No. Leica announced that they are going to delay the release of the Q3 one week, for every time someone starts a thread here about when the Q3 is coming out. We're now up to 2025 .......................Not true at all, as a Q2 owner myself what is really happening is Leica will keep introducing limited edition and commemorative editions in every iteration that do absolutely nothing internally to improve the camera main function... A camera"lol

If the sales volume is at a consistent level, why replace it? You typically only replace the model if sales are dipping or to pre empt a rival’s launch of their updated model. If I were Leica I would sit tight on the Q3 and instead address with some urgency the very outdated SL2.

DenverSteve wrote:No. Leica announced that they are going to delay the release of the Q3 one week, for every time someone starts a thread here about when the Q3 is coming out. We're now up to 2025 .......................not only that...Leica sees those threads and for each of them Q3 list price goes up by USD100...so stop!