I resisted the GF7-GX850 as the GM5 evf was the clincher and I had decided never to get another camera without one.A well know advocate of using multiple GM5 camera body with all sorts of not PC lenses the G100 was sold primarily as a video-capable camera.  Nothing much to see here for the likes of myself who have no interest in video.But quite a few users who had acquired a G100 spoke of it being quite a good stills camera.As someone already up to his ears in camera bodies that still impress I had no need for a G100 at RRP.  I have a GX9, G9 and S1 already for good versatility.But the G100 intrigued somewhat and when I found one at a price that I could make myself afford I bought one very recently in the swan song of dpreview and perhaps the same for the G100.Naturally I would compare it to the GM5.It is substantially larger than a GM5 but of much lighter construction so it feels 'light' no matter what its weight actually is.  In practice they both 'feel' about the same mass.But perhaps the light feeling G100 is more susceptible in balance to the weight of the lens attached.The grip is sculpted but the little (pinkie) finger falls off the bottom and there is a gap above it which gives an uncomfortable feeling when reaching the index finger overhead - something reminiscent of the awkward grip of the first series Sony A7 bodies.  It does feel more uncomfortable than my GM5 bodes and I wondered why.  Even though they all have the minimal but very good Franiec grip attached.  The difference was easy to find.  On my GM5 body it is the fourth finger and not the pinkie that slides under the body when gripped and this easily swaps over to the pinkie when the index finger moves to the shutter button.  Much practice I supposeThe G100 is ok but does not feel quite as comfortable in hand as the GM5 and I am not going to limit my G100 lenses to tiny one only just because they might make it more grippable.The focus is quite fast when re-tested now with an Olympus 12-40/2.8 Pro on board.  Images are normal 20mp good.  There was a slight kerfuffle over how to easily MF an Olympus M4/3 lens so I used the vacant Fn4 button to allow a switch to access it and the other focus modes.The on/off switch is handy but in an odd position at the top back of the body protruding out from the mode dial. I might wonder if heavy thumbed use might snap it off. Pushing it HARD in the wrong direction?Otherwise I have spent a few hours setting up to my own specifications including turning the video button off - like the GM series Panasonic only allows on/off and no other purpose. But it does allow video control to be assigned to other buttons. You can have quite a few buttons set to invoke video just in case your memory is caught short in an emergency ....I have also turned the lcd outwards and will not articulate it unless it is also an emergencyThe rear dial around the four-way control seems less sensitive than that on the GM1 - or is this simply because I have become familiar with the GM1 control over the years.In any case i have had no issues with the rear dial in the few days since it came out of its packaging.I will not worry about imaging or the rest of the controls - the imaging is good - standard Panasonic - no IBIS of course but the GM5 is also unstabilised and it does not faze me at all.The menu system is also standard Panasonic and anyone familar with ti will have no issues setting up their camera to their own satisfaction.The evf give a larger view but in reality there is nothing wrong with the evf on the GM5 - it does the job it was designed to do quite competently.A good addition to my camera body fleet.  The only slight objection might be that the grip, although larger does not keep up with the additional size of the camera body over the GM5.

Overall, great camera.I was back and fourth on the grip. Now I really like the grip, when the camera is up to my eye. However, the grip is kind of uncomfortable to carry the camera about.Because of the way a camera would tend to lean, if you were just walking around and gripping the camera, there isn't much room to sort of counterbalance the camera with your ring finger. When the camera is to my eye though, this phenomenon is not present, and I appreciate the grip very much.I think they did a good job, they gave us a proper dial, and the wheel as a second dial. As much as I appreciate a second dial, the wheel is fine.I really like the evf NOW. I do kind of have to hold the camera tight to my eye, or I could easily get a green reflection toward the bottom. I have a few bodies, and can confirm the same on all, in this regard.I don't really like articulators that much, but since it is the majority's want these days, I'll take it.120FPS.... I am not a video guy, but I do enjoy 120 fps, it's fun for everything!The g95 is program auto only, the g100 joins every other Panasonic 120fps(or better) cams and has PASM comp modes available.The g100 also has all AF modes (AFF, AFS, AFC (and the sub modes) available in 120fps Slow motion! I don't know about the gh5ii, gh6, or gh5s, but I do know the gh5, g95, g9 (and all Olympus bodies with slow-mo)are all MF only, in slow motion. So it's pretty strange (also awesome) that the cheapest available 120fps m4/3 cam has AF, and appears few, if any others do.I like the red box on the screen for recording too.I really like this camera, and my favorite lens for it is the 12-35 f2.8. I am hoping to get more use in slow motion with the 30mm f2.8 macro, and 100-300 Lumix, as soon as this snow is gone (or near gone).

$499 camera house pretty cheap.Rp

It's really odd but the very first thing I liked about the G100 was the grip - it felt almost perfect for my hand, something I rarely find as I tend to prefer more minimalist grips.MF with Olympus clutched lenses fazed me initially as well until I realised I could just press the left ("AF mode") button when the lens was in MF mode and it brings up the magnifier which I found preferable to the camera-selected MF mode. I did configure a button for focus mode before I discovered this but I don't actually use it.I have a few minor irritations with the G100 - like the lack of a maximum ISO setting for auto ISO - but on the whole I like it for what it is. Oh - and much to my surprise I also found it didn't handle as well as the GM5 with heavier lenses, a discovery that seems counter intuitive to me. No issues with lack of IBIS either, just like the GM5.

Get these G100 or GX850/880 before they are gone?Thx TomSame as you, like my « new » 2nd hand GM-5 but want a backup in case it failsLooking at what happened to the excellent EOS M Series .. (Canon M6 Mk ii being stopped very suddenly and stocks disappeared IN DAYS.. when people realised they would not get the same functionalities at this SIZE and PRICE points..)That’s why I am contemplating buying a GX880 or G100 in case they encounter the same fate ..Gaul

John Bean (UK) wrote:It's really odd but the very first thing I liked about the G100 was the grip - it felt almost perfect for my hand, something I rarely find as I tend to prefer more minimalist grips.I agree with that but see below.MF with Olympus clutched lenses fazed me initially as well until I realised I could just press the left ("AF mode") button when the lens was in MF mode and it brings up the magnifier which I found preferable to the camera-selected MF mode. I did configure a button for focus mode before I discovered this but I don't actually use it.I had the Olympus 12-40/2.8 Pro on board and thinking - now how do I focus manually with this lens.  So I allocated unused Fn4 to this worthy purpose - and it worked.  Only in retrospect did I get the du-oh moment of the geriatric photographer ....it has a focus clutchand of course this works fine without any buttons.The brand new 9mm f1.7 is another kettle of fish.  It has no AF/MF switch, nor does it have a focus clutch.  Add that the G100 also does not have an AF/MF switch either.  Nor will it sense that you are trying to manual focus and left arrow alone does not help either.  But my allocation to Fn4 when pressed allows MF to be selected by a simple button press and it works perfectly. This is more a just in case allocation to an unused slot than something that might be an everyday occurrence for users.So of course purely manual focus lenses are identified because of no electronic contacts and with aperture rings of course are no issue.  I don't remember a shoot without lens setting so that must be all automatic on the G100. (like the GX85?)But F4 for focus method choice works fine and I needed something to allocate to this setting that is vacant for capture mode.I have a few minor irritations with the G100 - like the lack of a maximum ISO setting for auto ISO - but on the whole I like it for what it is.Oh - and much to my surprise I also found it didn't handle as well as the GM5 with heavier lenses, a discovery that seems counter intuitive to me.This was basically what I was saying - that the G100 being physically larger and lighter mass for its size was a bit more awkward to grip with larger lenses than the significantly smaller GM5.  I was trying to express it as how the grip worked. But maybe it is something to do with the body that is less dense in weight and the proportional leverage of a heavy lens.  The lens of course should always be supported by left hand if it represents enough size to actually grip it.Maybe with the slightly deeper body the angle of the finger on the shutter button starts to affect the right hand grip whereas the hand tends to more envelope the whole rhs of the significantly smaller GM5 camera body?  It is hard to place a fine point on it - my user feelback says that the G100 is not handling larger lenses as comfortably as the GM5 does.  (even knowing the fact that the GM series had the shutter button on the top plate as well)I mentioned the early Sony A7 series with the button on the top plate and always found the grip on my A7R uncomfortable.  Sony of course fixed this on the Series II. My old Sony NEX6 is roughly in the same size-slot as the G100 and the shutter button is out on the grip and angled as where it should be all camera bodies of any size.  On the NEX6 the pinkie fits snugly under the grip and provides that tiny bit extra support to the grip.

gaul wrote:Get these G100 or GX850/880 before they are gone?Thx TomSame as you, like my « new » 2nd hand GM-5 but want a backup in case it failsLooking at what happened to the excellent EOS M Series .. (Canon M6 Mk ii being stopped very suddenly and stocks disappeared IN DAYS.. when people realised they would not get the same functionalities at this SIZE and PRICE points..)That’s why I am contemplating buying a GX880 or G100 in case they encounter the same fate ..GaulWell just between you me, the gatepost and anyone that reads this thread in the death throes of dpreview ....I get the feeling of swansong about the G100 and it was all about the way it was promoted as a gun video camera for new users when they were really selling but a much revised GX880 with a pretty good evf.  The GX880 and its forebears were being offered as an entry level body as well.  But are there that many entry level users that can be torn away from their handy mobile phone cameras?Back in the days when mobile phone cameras were pretty useless and mobile phone were closer to bricks everybody bought a cheap compact camera  just to see what digital photography was all about.  Of course that market failed as the traditional compact camera just became cheaper and less useful with every iteration.  Free quite capable cameras in sleeker mobile phones killed the compact camera.But the point was - if we look at traditional audiences for cameras:Back in film days Box Brownies were superseded by Instamatics with cartridge film cassettes.  Everything had to be easy ... as real photography was mysterious and had to be learned (not). So when an ex-Instamatic person wished to jump the specifications and bought a proper camera they bought a slr body with kit lens and used it on automatic.I don't think things have changed.  When someone decides that they need a proper camera these days they jump right over the entry level type and buy something more sophisticated but preferably with a kit lens.  Like the person at  a wedding I went to maybe thirty years ago with a brand new Canon EOS body.  Didn't know that the lens could be swapped.  I had an EOS and a few lenses and offered her a try of one of mine.  Smacked down and pleased by the difference in the focal lengths she may or not have been sold on the mystique of what more serious photography can offer.I don't think that there is a big market for entry level gear for new users and most people buying cameras such as the GM5, GX880 and G100 are basically more experienced photographers looking for a smaller yet still capable camera body to use.So if I was starting out again with hopeful prospects of having a proper camera and somehow avoided the clutches of the FF sensor regime I would probably be a candidate for an OM-1 or G9.  Looks good, works well, and most of the lenses are of quite acceptable quality these days.  Then a relative few of us get hooked by the experience and dig deep .... ouch.But would I jump from a mobile phone camera to a G100 half way house? - not sure, some might.The other issue is that the manufacturers see stills shooting close to the end of its development life.  Future still cameras can only develop by capturing faster and merging images into huge high-resolution files more for the fact that they can rather than any ability to impress as most prints or reproductions can look good enough for standard sharing purposes.  Even in out of camera jpg. The camera body in your hand now most likely will be capable of doing anything we need for another 10 years or more - or until it breaks.But video improvements still have a way to go and young and enthusiast are easily swayed by better video capability and the prospect of being a You Tube Millionaire.  So camera bodies offer better and better video.  I am not sure that this market is really there.  Maybe it is a noisy one and breathing of youthful fresh air.As an older convert I have enough trouble getting people to flick through my printed output let alone sit and patiently watch a mind numbing series of videos that I have created.There is a lot of work necessary for good video presentation.  Much more than excising and keeping your best stills shots for sharing.Do entry level video?  A yawn?  But how about the stills camera .... ah, I was not about to pay full tote odds to buy a G100 on speculation that I could re-purpose it for stills.But I must admit that when I waved my magic specification over the G100 to set it up similarly to my long standing and well loved GM5 bodies it has brushed up well.I suggest that the G100 might be drifting into swansong territory at the end of its shelf life.  Whether a G200  will be launched as a better camera for still-shooting purpose remains to be seen.  But maybe it will simply be allowed to gracefully fade away?It seems reminiscent of what I felt about the GM5 when I was in love with the concept but the market was being fickle - perhaps waiting for the fire sale that never happened.  I bought my GM5 bodies when I thought the market price was right and in reality I seem to have guessed right.We make our choices - buy at the current market price or wait for the price to fall further.A good GM5 is currently selling for (a lot) more than the G100 can be bought new ...Swansong indeed - but if Panasonic releases a better suited replacement camera for the real not-video market then that is just the risk we take.

Tom Caldwell wrote:The on/off switch is handy but in an odd position at the top back of the body protruding out from the mode dial. I might wonder if heavy thumbed use might snap it off. Pushing it HARD in the wrong direction?This "odd" position is one of the reasons I started with Lumix cameras. Very comfortable and easy to operate, not in the way, not taking space for some other useful feature. It's also the most common on/off switch on Lumix cameras.

Sounds like you bought an OK camera.

$500 aud is not so cheep after all when i already own a little sony .

Aoyagi wrote:Tom Caldwell wrote:The on/off switch is handy but in an odd position at the top back of the body protruding out from the mode dial. I might wonder if heavy thumbed use might snap it off. Pushing it HARD in the wrong direction?This "odd" position is one of the reasons I started with Lumix cameras. Very comfortable and easy to operate, not in the way, not taking space for some other useful feature. It's also the most common on/off switch on Lumix cameras.Yes it is handy as I noted. Easier for "on" than "off".It just feels a little delicate for heavy thumbs - especially if pushed hard forward for "off". when it should really be pulled back.I don't really think that I will break mine.

Yes it is quite compelling when it is configured for stills only.  Pity that (like the GR series) the video button is either live of switched off and cannot be configured to something else useful.Not about to displace my GM5 affections but I am liking it better than I had supposed.

Tom Caldwell wrote:Yes it is quite compelling when it is configured for stills only. Pity that (like the GR series) the video button is either live of switched off and cannot be configured to something else useful.It's useful for motion pictures. They are still the same phenomenon of capturing moments on silicon memory, just a bunch or them in a row, and when played one after the other, as fast as you can, it looks similar to real life:)It's okay from time to time, to push the red button. Have you tried any time lapse video? What about when the bugs you are around (that occasion) just won't sit still, uncooperative for a still shot? Maybe a 3 second clip in slow motion might work out great?I guess to me, the g100 was sold as a video camera. I am more of a stills person myself, but would seem silly to me, to limit myself with the phrase "no, I don't do videos". Not just for this camera, but any.I remember sending a picture once to my aunt it was a spider spinning a web. I had to caption it, to mention it was webbing. My aunt's reply? Doesn't your camera do video? At that moment, I decided, yes, I have the ability to hit the "red button", because it's a tool, not an enemy combatant, trying to ruin my still photography.Not about to displace my GM5 affections but I am liking it better than I had supposed.I think at some point you just have to accept things of the past as that.What did the market tell us about the g100? The biggest complaints were crop with stabilization, and no IBIS, which could have taken away the crop. So basically lack of IBIS was the main complaint. They really should have just added a fully articulating screen and mic jack to the gx85, and called it gx10. It would have set in stone the mid tier name having 2 numbers instead of 1 with gx9. It also would have upset some with the screen, but many of those same folks would have been happy it was a flat-top, and likely would overlook the articulation.I would imagine some of the size difference between the g100, and any gm/gf/gx??? body is the efv hump, and the bigger grip. The evf is likely not a flat-top to allow more air flow within that area of the camera. The grip is likely that way too. Panasonic is pretty good at keeping cool temp, and I would imagine that has a lot to do with it. Also the mic jack, another feature that is telling you, this is a motion picture camera.Basically still photos are good enough, the only complaints people really have seem to be that they aren't my old camera. They aren't the old camera, because the old camera already exists. Is there a big market for people saying if I found a good deal on a gm5, I will probably grab one. Yes. Is there enough people that would pay the same as a g100, but then get a plastic version of the gm5, with no mic jack, no video features, a reroutable red button, fixed screen, finicky push dial. I think the gm5 was made just to get the bragging rights, and see what can be done. Also not the expanding line-up of cameras at the time, vs the shrinking lineup when the g100 came out.

Tom Caldwell wrote:It just feels a little delicate for heavy thumbs - especially if pushed hard forward for "off". when it should really be pulled back.I saw one example of the on/off switch being broken, but I do not believe that was caused by finger - rather by a table edge or something along those lines. I think it starts to hurt long before the user could apply so much pressure that it would damage the switch.

Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:he biggest complaints were crop with stabilization, and no IBIS, which could have taken away the crop. So basically lack of IBIS was the main complaint.Complaints were almost exclusively about the 1.25x 4K crop rather than the e-Stabilisation crop. Also it being an only 8bit camera. Basically there were no advancements over the G90 it stemmed from over a year after its release besides a cool but wholly unnecessary audio tracking solution.

Aoyagi wrote:Tom Caldwell wrote:It just feels a little delicate for heavy thumbs - especially if pushed hard forward for "off". when it should really be pulled back.I saw one example of the on/off switch being broken, but I do not believe that was caused by finger - rather by a table edge or something along those lines. I think it starts to hurt long before the user could apply so much pressure that it would damage the switch.I agree - it would only be broken by crass carelessness or really heavy-handed (thumbed?) use.  I am more or less noting that it might just be a weak spot that some might end up complaining about.  The reality is that it is quite serviceable for normal use and I don't really have any issues with using it myself.

Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Tom Caldwell wrote:Yes it is quite compelling when it is configured for stills only. Pity that (like the GR series) the video button is either live of switched off and cannot be configured to something else useful.Thanks for the thoughtful reply - it requires an equally thoughtful response ...It's useful for motion pictures. They are still the same phenomenon of capturing moments on silicon memory, just a bunch or them in a row, and when played one after the other, as fast as you can, it looks similar to real life:)Good point.  But I have also thought that watching a motion picture takes just as long as making it.  They are very useful to tell a story and You Tube whilst often pedantically slow has become a phenomenon in its own right. Other than publishing on the web a motion picture has to be watch on some form of electronic media and the time has to be found to do so.  Of course gone are the home movie film nights of film days and the long cold nights of winter.  Now it has become a more personal thing sent straight to your electronic device or social media site of preference.I suppose that I have been too mentally locked up with the thought of 'making a story' worth distributing and keeping than just a social media sharing.  Furthermore my busy life prevents me becoming a You Tube Star and the prospect of making money from this is a mental need that eludes me.Without social media or an audience the effort can only be for our own satisfaction - nothing wrong with this as humanity has only advanced because something in us presses us to push out the boundaries.  And this is not all about the money reward as the satisfaction of having done something right is quite personal as well.It's okay from time to time, to push the red button. Have you tried any time lapse video? What about when the bugs you are around (that occasion) just won't sit still, uncooperative for a still shot? Maybe a 3 second clip in slow motion might work out great?Yes I should try that. Thanks for piquing my interest.  That red button becomes a live one quite soon.I guess to me, the g100 was sold as a video camera. I am more of a stills person myself, but would seem silly to me, to limit myself with the phrase "no, I don't do videos". Not just for this camera, but any.This "I don't do video' thing is a very real comment and not meant to shown my lack of adapting to change.  My theory has been that stills camera technology has more or less matured for digital cameras.  The manufacturers are now struggling (mainly with firmware) to add exciting things to stills ability and see that video attributes still have a way to go.  Therefore they try to push greater and greater video capability on to a market that is not really seriously swinging in that direction.With stills shooting approaching stall speed surely the only way to move forward is to make dedicated stills camera cheaper or to make them of extremely high build quality and likely to last for 10+ years in mainstream.  The GM5 camera body in looking like a 10+ year investment and I have been on past record as suggesting that the main market to replace the GM5 is much the same camera body with the latest sensor and updated firmware tweaks.  If that were so the market would only emerge when the first generation GM5 bodies were effectively worn out.  Simply because it would need existing GM5 owners to be the main market and there would be buyer resistance to the high price necessary if all that was truly on offering was just a new sensor. Obviously in the case where their GM5 in hand was still doing a thoroughly good job.So my 'no video' remarks are as much directed to designers of the future Panasonic cameras to say that better video is not necessarily going to raise as much volume to keep their camera business viable as they might think.  As much as they can lead a basically stills shooter horse to high tech video water they are not necessarily going to make them rush to drink it.So the future is fraught for stills cameras but I suggest that if the next camera that Panasonic released was a GM5 update with the new 25mp sensor and only basic video they might be surprised at just how much their market might be willing to pay for it if it was in fact of very high build quality and could last as a tiny stills camera for a 10+ years front line use cycle.  Then of course they could make as much video gear as they liked and update that regularly for a smaller market that truly looked towards great video (GH6 onwards?)I remember sending a picture once to my aunt it was a spider spinning a web. I had to caption it, to mention it was webbing. My aunt's reply? Doesn't your camera do video? At that moment, I decided, yes, I have the ability to hit the "red button", because it's a tool, not an enemy combatant, trying to ruin my still photography.One of those perceptive moments and I should try this.  But I doubt if I will be making movies or joining You Tube.Not about to displace my GM5 affections but I am liking it better than I had supposed.I think at some point you just have to accept things of the past as that.I think I already had - I did decide to see what the G100 could do before they were all gone ...What did the market tell us about the g100? The biggest complaints were crop with stabilization, and no IBIS, which could have taken away the crop. So basically lack of IBIS was the main complaint.They do claim a fixed sensor IBIS type shift to stabilise a smaller cropped image and of course most of their lenses are already stabilised in their own right.They really should have just added a fully articulating screen and mic jack to the gx85, and called it gx10. It would have set in stone the mid tier name having 2 numbers instead of 1 with gx9. It also would have upset some(including myself - I only can get by with using a fully articulated screen as a permanently fixed one - like the GM series). I can of course still grit my teeth and get the benefit of the articulation if it is really necessary.  The main benefit of the tilt lcd is that it is unobtrusive - a fixed lcd but you can get up or down tilt quickly with no fuss whatsoever if suddenly need a high or low viewpoint.  Those that don't mind fully articulating screens presumably are those that prefer focus/composition on lcd and are quite happy to twist and twiddle the lcd to get the very best angle. Each type has its own advantages but tilters must come from basically evf user who occasionally use the lcd where it is obviously the best way to travel.Each camp like their choice and its individual advantages. As a prefer-tilt I think that perhaps I am a lazy shooter who is not into a fully articulated fiddlewith the screen, but many of those same folks would have been happy it was a flat-top, and likely would overlook the articulation.I would imagine some of the size difference between the g100, and any gm/gf/gx??? body is the efv hump, and the bigger grip. The evf is likely not a flat-top to allow more air flow within that area of the camera. The grip is likely that way too. Panasonic is pretty good at keeping cool temp, and I would imagine that has a lot to do with it. Also the mic jack, another feature that is telling you, this is a motion picture camera.Yes that was why I avoided it to start with.  I has a GX9 which I already like to death which has tilt lcd and flat top and a close competitor for the G9 as a camera body.  Without much of the bulk.  I have not yet compared the G100 in physical size back to back with the GX9 - but of course they are far different cameras - the G100 is camera basic from the GM5 with an articulated screen a size uprated evf and quite good video.  The GX9 is a quite good derivative from the original well conceived GX7 - with a serious design brief to be a full function camera body.I already know that the G100 is not that much different from my now ancient NEX6 - except for the flossy evf on the top plate and a more awkwardly placed shutter button.Basically still photos are good enough, the only complaints people really have seem to be that they aren't my old camera. They aren't the old camera, because the old camera already exists. Is there a big market for people saying if I found a good deal on a gm5, I will probably grab one. Yes. Is there enough people that would pay the same as a g100, but then get a plastic version of the gm5, with no mic jack, no video features, a reroutable red button, fixed screen, finicky push dial. I think the gm5 was made just to get the bragging rights, and see what can be done. Also not the expanding line-up of cameras at the time, vs the shrinking lineup when the g100 came out.The GM series was a test market.  There was a design brief challenge to their R&D bureau to design the physically smallest M4/3 (basically) stills camera where all user conveniences could be excluded except those that were a functional part of a full capable digital camera body.  One twist was conventional with no evf but a flash unit.  The other allowed the flash to be replaced by a small but quite functional evf.  This was not going to be an entry level camera but a thinking users camera.  Consequently it eschewed twee-easy for first users and because it was meant to be ground-breaking it was was an expensive build.Of course we had been conditioned to think 'compact cameras' being small must be cheap and the first GM bodies hit a price wall.  By the time Panasonic brought the price down to the point where the cameras sold well the margin was not that great.So those that bought the GM5 mostly bought them at a bargain price.The GF7-GX850 series was simply a reworked GM series made to sell at the price point that the GM series had indicated and still make reasonable money.  The G100 is just a new spin on the same subject, but alas I suspect that flash video in a cheap(er) body might not be cracking the mustard seed.But maybe the market is now ready to pay a decent price for a state of the sensor art GM5 upgrade .... but then .... maybe not as small camera bodies should be cheap and therefore underpowered and video cameras ar indeed the way of the future.

I'm glad you tried the G100 and enjoyed it.I still find it bemusing that Lumix touted it as an entry-level vlog camera - you need to be pretty well practiced to get the best out of it, but whatever, Lumix are crazy.  Hope they make a higher spec successor, I think it'd attract a lot of new customers if they throw IBIS and more powerful C-AF into a G100.Mine is playing very well as a secondary stills camera for events, and primary for travel. Won't be letting go of the GM5 any time soon though, even if it's getting less use.

River Photography wrote:$500 aud is not so cheep after all when i already own a little sony ....Why would you use a lens that it doesn't come with and is older than the camera?I don't see why you're complaining about pricing when the A6300 was pretty much double the price brand new.That's not to say am defending the G100 in any capacity. It is a weird camera quickly badged for v-logging which it failed at (like having good autofocus for video). Not that I wouldn't buy one though, my Panasonic GX1 is getting old.

Ruairi wrote:I'm glad you tried the G100 and enjoyed it.I still find it bemusing that Lumix touted it as an entry-level vlog camera - you need to be pretty well practiced to get the best out of it, but whatever, Lumix are crazy. Hope they make a higher spec successor, I think it'd attract a lot of new customers if they throw IBIS and more powerful C-AF into a G100.Well its a lumpy bumpy oversized GM5 with a big evf stuck on top.  If this is the only present way to up GM5-tech performance and tie it all up with a 20mp sensor then I suppose it was worth a try.A video non-user I turned my video rec button back on and made a couple of little videos and realised that I had a long way to go before I could capture anything useful. But what use is it all worth if you have not any more mountains to climb?Mine is playing very well as a secondary stills camera for events, and primary for travel. Won't be letting go of the GM5 any time soon though, even if it's getting less use.Nothing but nothing matches the size/power ratio of a GM5 - I not about to give mine up either.  But I am having a little bit of fun with my G100 for the moment.Its a good sign when a camera body catches your imagination.  I really thought that this was one I could skip.  But the price sucked me in and now suitably sucked I can see that it is not a bad stills camera all tarted up in a video skirt.