Maybe if you compare it to a GM, it doesn't match up.Panasonic left out the "M". Maybe us buyers are supposed to.Is it a lumpy bumpy GM?Could it very well be the runt of the litter in the G series?Does this make a difference? Probably not.G9 Flagship, G95/G90 Mid Tier (which will intentionally be made less compelling than g9), G100 budget (will intentionally be made less compelling than g95/g90).Makes a lot more sense to me, on what Panasonic was doing.

Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Maybe if you compare it to a GM, it doesn't match up.Panasonic left out the "M". Maybe us buyers are supposed toIs it a lumpy bumpy GM?Could it very well be the runt of the litter in the G series?Seems to be. Was certainly deemed the runt among its competitors.Does this make a difference? Probably not.G9 Flagship, G95/G90 Mid Tier (which will intentionally be made less compelling than g9), G100 budget (will intentionally be made less compelling than g95/g90).Ah, but Lumix can take a fight to Sony with the technology they have. So rather than stratifying their range based on their own offerings, they could look at what Sony offer in each category and poach customers.A G100 with PDAF (unconstrained to fit under G95) would best the comparable market-leading Sony offerings.Lumix then take top spot in sales and splash their winnings on developing a luxuriant GM5 successor, and we all rejoice as our m43 lens collections increase in value.Makes a lot more sense to me, on what Panasonic was doing.

Ruairi wrote:Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Maybe if you compare it to a GM, it doesn't match up.Panasonic left out the "M". Maybe us buyers are supposed toIs it a lumpy bumpy GM?Could it very well be the runt of the litter in the G series?Seems to be. Was certainly deemed the runt among its competitors.Does this make a difference? Probably not.G9 Flagship, G95/G90 Mid Tier (which will intentionally be made less compelling than g9), G100 budget (will intentionally be made less compelling than g95/g90).Ah, but Lumix can take a fight to Sony with the technology they have. So rather than stratifying their range based on their own offerings, they could look at what Sony offer in each category and poach customers.A G100 with PDAF (unconstrained to fit under G95) would best the comparable market-leading Sony offerings.Lumix then take top spot in sales and splash their winnings on developing a luxuriant GM5 successor, and we all rejoice as our m43 lens collections increase in value.No they won't the GM5 only enjoys high resale prices because it was well made to last and that it is still completely unique as being a tiny full systems camera made for an existing system that already has a wide range of system lenses that if can use.  That it similarly adds variety to the other various size/shapes of systems cameras for this mount that have already been made.Take away its uniqueness by updating it with an equally well built camera of the same size for the same systems mount an it is likely that the GM5 camera resale price will collapse.Makes a lot more sense to me, on what Panasonic was doing.

Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Maybe if you compare it to a GM, it doesn't match up.Panasonic left out the "M". Maybe us buyers are supposed to.Is it a lumpy bumpy GM?Could it very well be the runt of the litter in the G series?Does this make a difference? Probably not.G9 Flagship, G95/G90 Mid Tier (which will intentionally be made less compelling than g9), G100 budget (will intentionally be made less compelling than g95/g90).Makes a lot more sense to me, on what Panasonic was doing.I would argue that the shutter and other base components of the miniaturisation of the GM series were used as base components for the GF7-GX850 series and that did not carry forward the "M" either.In truth the GF7 was a build down with increased plastic components of the type of presentation that many seemed to want at the rime for the GM series - a tilt lcd.  The "GF" moniker seems to have just been handy and available at the time.  The GM series went from an adult camera seemingly made without recourse to jump shots and selfies to cater for entry level tastes.  It was also built to sell at a price level that the eventual street price of the GM series seemed to indicate would sell better.  But the market might not have been interested in such a larger camera body marketed as entry level.The evolution can be seen and the GX850 (or whatever level its designation achieved) was dead before the G100 was released.Obviously to me as still continuing the evolution of the component heritage that the GM series pioneered with the normal twist that the GM might have followed.No IBIS, basically the same shutter as far as I know and the good quality 'plastic' construction that that was basically what the GF7 first offered.Now the emphasis was on trying to encourage new users for its video attributes and the addition of a big bright evf for those that have complained that the small field sequential evf units were sub standard (no criticism coming from my direction).  Also an inevitable updating the sensor to 20mp.The GF7 failed for me because of selfies and jump shots.  The G100 has initially failed for me because of emphasis on video attributes.  Neither was an obvious direct update on the GM type but they have built on the GM heritage (new direction?) of components.Just because the G100 looks like a stunted G90 does not mean that its historic ancestry of build type should be glossed over.It is hugely different in type from the GM5 but sometimes evolution plays party tricks.It is simply how Panasonic marketing has progressed the GM5 project in its process of thrashing about to try and make a cheaper build GM5 that would fill a market slot.Unfortunately the GM5 was built too well and would only sell in respectable numbers at the low street price level that the market set for it.The end story is that the G100 no longer looks like a tiny 'pack of cards' full stills capable systems camera body and now is a much larger video oriented camera body with flip lcd and a great big evf sitting on top.But I find that it is still very much a basic camera underneath that roars (weakly) on the much revised concept that it is presently being offered.Like the GM5 it might sell well at a lower street price and be eventually lamented by some who were perhaps waiting for the GM5 price to fall through the floor and missed out of this unique camera body so many years ago.

Just trying to clarify.... You are saying because of the lack of IBIS, plus the shutter mechanism, this is a gf camera?I am going to still say this is a low tier G lineage.I personally don't find the nomenclatures very complex.GH line Very top line, no limits in any way, this is the full Panasonic menu for the era. Top specs video camera. Will have best build material available. Will have fully articulating screen. There will not be a mid tier or budget version of this line, but there may be special, even more video centric versions. These are large cameras with big grips and over all bodies. Used to come in colors, since gh3 only in black.GM "m" for mini, made with great materials, meant to be as small as absolutely possible. I would assume this was never meant to be a normal line of cameras. Maybe they come out every blue moon, when there are enough new things, that can still pack into nearly the same size body.GF for stills picture takers, who want a small camera, also on a possible budget. Made with cheap materials, so it can be sold inexpensively, and in mass quantity. Might end up being a new users only camera, and a pro users back up camera. The orginal gf1 and gf2 become gx1, and the gf3 is the begining of what eventually dies as the gf10.GX a little nicer camera, for those who enjoy stills photography, in an ever expanding video oriented camera market.G line, Built as a hybrid camera. This camera may have video limitations (such as crops, or record time limits, not as slow slow motion). As the tier (g9 vs g95) drops the less of the full options are available. Evf, fully articulating screen. Used to come in colors, eventually only black cameras. Used to have no mic jack (same era gh did) but eventually added in g6. Eventually this line had tiers, signified by how many numbers follows the letter 1 being the top, additional numbers signify lower tier. Lower tier, the lower the tier, the less the build (g9 full metal frame, g95 metal front frame, g100 plastic)..... (Since the g7 didn't have IBIS, and g85 did, they around the same physical size and the g9 being bigger physically than g85/95 the following is the likely future (if any) case).... As the tier lowers, the body gets slightly physically smaller. G9 large, g95 medium, g100 smallTom, your last reply starts history of this lineage at gf7. Don't overlook all the tiny gf cameras on the way, that clearly lead up to those last few. That's a lineage.The camera changed, from having the accessory port, for external evf. That's when mirrorless was brand new. The lineage split into the gf3 being the tiny cheap line, fixed screen, eventually a flip screen, never an evf, not very many dials (if any, more like a wheel). They come in funky groovy colors man, and are made to be fun and fashionable. To the day THIS LINEAGE DIED. It was like that.Then came the gx1, which would be the original gf1/2 successor. That transitioned to the gx7 with built in efv, and clearly made for stills fans, not video folks. your stills oriented rangefinder look-a-likes started for Pany.The gx8 is probably the most confusing camera Panasonic made, as far as the nomenclature topic., I wrote a too long to read, about the gx8, and decided I am going to skip over it. I believe gx1 to gx7 to gx85 to gx9. Gx8 is it's own breed, bothered stills folks with the articulating screen, and bugged vido folks with it's stupid 2.5mm mic jack. Was a way to put out the 20mp new sensor.The gx85 is just named with 2 numbers, because the gx8 exists. In fact in Japan gx85 is gx7mk2 and gx9 is gx7mk3, so my lineage theory is correct there. So really the gx8 should have it's own name, and the gx85 should have been called gx8.The g100 has a 3.5mm a fully articulating screen, 1 dial, 1 wheel, 2 video spots on the mode dial, a custom mode on the mode dial. How about batteries? My old gf cameras use the older version, but still fit in my g100. Which is also the same battery as the gx85 and gx9. As the gf aged, it shrunk, to the point of having to use that gm tiny battery, found in a lot of the point and shoots.As far as the lack of IBIS in the "g" line. Well let's see, g1, g2, g3, g5, g6, g7 no IBIS. G9, G85, G95 have IBIS. So I am going to give that a pass. Also I will point out the g95 does not have the IBIS of the g9, that's not because the g95 isn't a "G" it's because it has 2 numbers after the letter, not 1. How about shutters? Do the g9 and g95 share the same mechanism? If not is because one isn't a "g"?I guess we can all rationalize anything the way we want it. I am going to stick to very simple logic.... Looks like a duck, walks like a duck, must be a duck. Yeah that same shutter mechanism might suggest the g100 is actually the gf900..... It's evf, grip, fully articulating screen, 3.5mm headphone jack, 2 video spots on mode dial, only comes in one color, 120 fps (not found on capable gx9), and larger than point and shoot battery suggest to me this is the duck I think it is, the "g" 100

Ainisru wrote:River Photography wrote:$500 aud is not so cheep after all when i already own a little sony ....Why would you use a lens that it doesn't come with and is older than the camera?I don't see why you're complaining about pricing when the A6300 was pretty much double the price brand new.That's not to say am defending the G100 in any capacity. It is a weird camera quickly badged for v-logging which it failed at (like having good autofocus for video). Not that I wouldn't buy one though, my Panasonic GX1 is getting old.isnt that camera size site excellentonly discovered it the other night.Don

River Photography wrote:Ainisru wrote:River Photography wrote:$500 aud is not so cheep after all when i already own a little sony ....Why would you use a lens that it doesn't come with and is older than the camera?I don't see why you're complaining about pricing when the A6300 was pretty much double the price brand new.That's not to say am defending the G100 in any capacity. It is a weird camera quickly badged for v-logging which it failed at (like having good autofocus for video). Not that I wouldn't buy one though, my Panasonic GX1 is getting old.isnt that camera size site excellentonly discovered it the other night.Don I agree, great tool!

I was going to write what peoples opinions were on this type of strap lug? That made me look at all my cameras, then made me think of linage based on strap lugs alone, Panasonic really mucked up the waters.You won't believe what I found. The following information is true, but useless, you've been warned. At least this info will get deleted soon;)For starters, I have 35 models of m4/3 cameras and 2 models of 4/3 dslr cams. Of them 6 have that type of lug strap. Olympus E-5 Olympus E-PL1 Panasonic g100 Panasonic L1 (dslr) Panasonic gf1 Panasonic gf3.... On the gf3, it is a much smaller, but still rectangular. I do not own most of the following cams, but from the pictures I see, the gf3 is the only camera to use this (or anything similar) The other ones might differ a bit, but the gf3 only is quite a bit smaller.I have looked up all the m4/3 cams. Also note, I did not look up Oly DSLRs, my E-5 has rectangle, but we are discussing Pany lineage so... Both Pany DSLRs made were rectangleRectangle lugs are as follows: Olympus E-PL1 L1 and L10 4/3 DSLR GF1/2/5 (normal rectangle..... Gf3 with the above mentioned "small" rectangle) G3/5/6 (we have to talk about the g3;) i think i found the g100's father! Gx1(Sort of) Useless things I noted.... The g3 kind of hides the lugs deeper in the body. Then g5/6 have them stick out like most. The gf6 has them completely tucked into the body, This looks like the most thoughtful design of any m4/3 lug situation.Circle-hole lugs are as follows: All ("micro" 4/3) Olympus (except E-PL1 Pany Gf7/8/9/10 Gm1/5 G1/10/2/7/85/9/95 Gh1/2/3/4/5/5ii/5s/6 Gx7/8/85/9So what did I conclude, by examining the straps? -(Dates based on cameradecision.com) gx1(2-14-2012) gf6(4-8-13) and g6 (4-24-13) were the last cameras to use the rectangle lug strap, until g100 (6-24-2020) -All but gh line used them. -The g line did start with circles, but that took a turn. -The gx and gf lines both had them to start, and eventually switched away. -The g3, and g6 tried to give a better user experience, hiding them within the body. -Panasonic stopped using the rectangle lug strap for 7 years and 2 months. -I am not signing up for another forum;)I am going to write a separate reply.... I think when you think of all these camera lines, and cameras, there's only one in there, where it seemed like they might be making something similar to the g100 it's the g3.

Based on the handling and in general styling the g3 looks like Panasonic may have tried the small body, but EVF bump, so not so small deal before.https://camerasize.com/compare/#844,185There is bigger style camera, with a larger grip and an evf bump. The grips aren't identical, but shaped very similar, with a mushrooming top. E-m1 series, OM-1, entire gh series, g1/2/4/5/7/85/9/95, these cameras aren't identical. If you asked a non-camera-interested person, they would probably concede "they all look the similar".Now g1 and 2 are big grip then they try something else for the g3, and then go back to the original big grip for rest of series.The g3 had that cool swoop style grip, that most of the GF's and gx1 had. On a side note, I think that was one of the most comfortable grips, the gx1 is a really nice feeling camera. I think they really need to bring that back, it would be welcome by me on the gx10.If you had them all in a row, the g3, gx8, and g100 would definitely be out of place, and the rest of the cameras would make sense how they progressed. If the cameras had no names, and were placed in chronological release order, and I had to guess them into lineage groups, the g3 would either be it's own group, or it would be the Papa cam to the g100.Some camera just don't have a place, except for in your hand! I hate the g100 so much it has quickly become my favorite camera. Maybe because it doesn't have a proper place?

Tom Caldwell wrote:Ruairi wrote:Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Maybe if you compare it to a GM, it doesn't match up.Panasonic left out the "M". Maybe us buyers are supposed toIs it a lumpy bumpy GM?Could it very well be the runt of the litter in the G series?Seems to be. Was certainly deemed the runt among its competitors.Does this make a difference? Probably not.G9 Flagship, G95/G90 Mid Tier (which will intentionally be made less compelling than g9), G100 budget (will intentionally be made less compelling than g95/g90).Ah, but Lumix can take a fight to Sony with the technology they have. So rather than stratifying their range based on their own offerings, they could look at what Sony offer in each category and poach customers.A G100 with PDAF (unconstrained to fit under G95) would best the comparable market-leading Sony offerings.Lumix then take top spot in sales and splash their winnings on developing a luxuriant GM5 successor, and we all rejoice as our m43 lens collections increase in value.No they won't the GM5 only enjoys high resale prices because it was well made to last and that it is still completely unique as being a tiny full systems camera made for an existing system that already has a wide range of system lenses that if can use. That it similarly adds variety to the other various size/shapes of systems cameras for this mount that have already been made.Take away its uniqueness by updating it with an equally well built camera of the same size for the same systems mount an it is likely that the GM5 camera resale price will collapse.Digital bodies lose value in relatively little time.  Almost all of them.  Lenses are where value can be retained if a system is kept strong enough.  That said, if a luxurious GM6 were developed and sold for £1200, then a used GM5 at £600 would still seem like good value. What I'm trying to say is that Lumix should put more thought into making the entire system stronger by releasing G bodies that don't merely adhere to a price bracket within the range.  They should lose the infatuation with their daft line-up hierarchy (GM5 and GX8 were glimmers of hope in this regard).  We certainly don't pay any attention to it with our new never-to-be vlogging cameras.Makes a lot more sense to me, on what Panasonic was doing.

Ruairi wrote:Tom Caldwell wrote:Ruairi wrote:Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Maybe if you compare it to a GM, it doesn't match up.Panasonic left out the "M". Maybe us buyers are supposed toIs it a lumpy bumpy GM?Could it very well be the runt of the litter in the G series?Seems to be. Was certainly deemed the runt among its competitors.Does this make a difference? Probably not.G9 Flagship, G95/G90 Mid Tier (which will intentionally be made less compelling than g9), G100 budget (will intentionally be made less compelling than g95/g90).Ah, but Lumix can take a fight to Sony with the technology they have. So rather than stratifying their range based on their own offerings, they could look at what Sony offer in each category and poach customers.A G100 with PDAF (unconstrained to fit under G95) would best the comparable market-leading Sony offerings.Lumix then take top spot in sales and splash their winnings on developing a luxuriant GM5 successor, and we all rejoice as our m43 lens collections increase in value.No they won't the GM5 only enjoys high resale prices because it was well made to last and that it is still completely unique as being a tiny full systems camera made for an existing system that already has a wide range of system lenses that if can use. That it similarly adds variety to the other various size/shapes of systems cameras for this mount that have already been made.Take away its uniqueness by updating it with an equally well built camera of the same size for the same systems mount an it is likely that the GM5 camera resale price will collapse.Digital bodies lose value in relatively little time. Almost all of them. Lenses are where value can be retained if a system is kept strong enough. That said, if a luxurious GM6 were developed and sold for £1200, then a used GM5 at £600 would still seem like good value. What I'm trying to say is that Lumix should put more thought into making the entire system stronger by releasing G bodies that don't merely adhere to a price bracket within the range. They should lose the infatuation with their daft line-up hierarchy (GM5 and GX8 were glimmers of hope in this regard). We certainly don't pay any attention to it with our new never-to-be vlogging cameras.Makes a lot more sense to me, on what Panasonic was doing.Lose value depends on when you bought, and if you bought new or used.I have a few e-m1 mark 1 bodies. I bought all of them between $170-200, those were pretty common prices around 2018. They are all in pretty nice shape. Looks like an e-m1 in good shape goes for over $200 now.Pen-F is another example of this. A few years ago, $600 was not uncommon to see. Now they look more like a common $800 camera. It doesn't have a successor, and therefore, it doesn't have another camera people want, so they still will pay nearly new prices for an7 year old camera.Looks like the gm5 is holding it's ground at around $600, If you find one for $500, better buy it if you want it, it will not be there tomorrow.E-m5ii is a pretty good example of a used camera holding its price point between $300-400. Probably because the e-m5iii was a much poorer build. In the future, the e-m5iii will keep dropping, and the e-m5ii will be nearly the same price.I think Tom was original saying that the gm5 holds a good price right now, because it's the only cam of that form factor (tiny cam with an evf)..... If they made gm5ii, the gm5 would then lose a lot of value, as the gm5ii would be same form factor, but much mor feature rich experience.

Tom Caldwell wrote:Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Maybe if you compare it to a GM, it doesn't match up.Panasonic left out the "M". Maybe us buyers are supposed to.Is it a lumpy bumpy GM?Could it very well be the runt of the litter in the G series?Does this make a difference? Probably not.G9 Flagship, G95/G90 Mid Tier (which will intentionally be made less compelling than g9), G100 budget (will intentionally be made less compelling than g95/g90).Makes a lot more sense to me, on what Panasonic was doing.I would argue that the shutter and other base components of the miniaturisation of the GM series were used as base components for the GF7-GX850 series and that did not carry forward the "M" either.In truth the GF7 was a build down with increased plastic components of the type of presentation that many seemed to want at the rime for the GM series - a tilt lcd. The "GF" moniker seems to have just been handy and available at the time. The GM series went from an adult camera seemingly made without recourse to jump shots and selfies to cater for entry level tastes. It was also built to sell at a price level that the eventual street price of the GM series seemed to indicate would sell better. But the market might not have been interested in such a larger camera body marketed as entry level.The evolution can be seen and the GX850 (or whatever level its designation achieved) was dead before the G100 was released.Obviously to me as still continuing the evolution of the component heritage that the GM series pioneered with the normal twist that the GM might have followed.No IBIS, basically the same shutter as far as I know and the good quality 'plastic' construction that that was basically what the GF7 first offered.Now the emphasis was on trying to encourage new users for its video attributes and the addition of a big bright evf for those that have complained that the small field sequential evf units were sub standard (no criticism coming from my direction). Also an inevitable updating the sensor to 20mp.The GF7 failed for me because of selfies and jump shots. The G100 has initially failed for me because of emphasis on video attributes. Neither was an obvious direct update on the GM type but they have built on the GM heritage (new direction?) of components.Just because the G100 looks like a stunted G90 does not mean that its historic ancestry of build type should be glossed over.It is hugely different in type from the GM5 but sometimes evolution plays party tricks.It is simply how Panasonic marketing has progressed the GM5 project in its process of thrashing about to try and make a cheaper build GM5 that would fill a market slot.Unfortunately the GM5 was built too well and would only sell in respectable numbers at the low street price level that the market set for it.The end story is that the G100 no longer looks like a tiny 'pack of cards' full stills capable systems camera body and now is a much larger video oriented camera body with flip lcd and a great big evf sitting on top.But I find that it is still very much a basic camera underneath that roars (weakly) on the much revised concept that it is presently being offered.Like the GM5 it might sell well at a lower street price and be eventually lamented by some who were perhaps waiting for the GM5 price to fall through the floor and missed out of this unique camera body so many years ago.I'm looking forward to picking a survivor site once DPR closes - in the hope there'll be one, at long last, with more than a single active Moderator....Peter

Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Ruairi wrote:Tom Caldwell wrote:Ruairi wrote:Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Maybe if you compare it to a GM, it doesn't match up.Panasonic left out the "M". Maybe us buyers are supposed toIs it a lumpy bumpy GM?Could it very well be the runt of the litter in the G series?Seems to be. Was certainly deemed the runt among its competitors.Does this make a difference? Probably not.G9 Flagship, G95/G90 Mid Tier (which will intentionally be made less compelling than g9), G100 budget (will intentionally be made less compelling than g95/g90).Ah, but Lumix can take a fight to Sony with the technology they have. So rather than stratifying their range based on their own offerings, they could look at what Sony offer in each category and poach customers.A G100 with PDAF (unconstrained to fit under G95) would best the comparable market-leading Sony offerings.Lumix then take top spot in sales and splash their winnings on developing a luxuriant GM5 successor, and we all rejoice as our m43 lens collections increase in value.No they won't the GM5 only enjoys high resale prices because it was well made to last and that it is still completely unique as being a tiny full systems camera made for an existing system that already has a wide range of system lenses that if can use. That it similarly adds variety to the other various size/shapes of systems cameras for this mount that have already been made.Take away its uniqueness by updating it with an equally well built camera of the same size for the same systems mount an it is likely that the GM5 camera resale price will collapse.Digital bodies lose value in relatively little time. Almost all of them. Lenses are where value can be retained if a system is kept strong enough. That said, if a luxurious GM6 were developed and sold for £1200, then a used GM5 at £600 would still seem like good value. What I'm trying to say is that Lumix should put more thought into making the entire system stronger by releasing G bodies that don't merely adhere to a price bracket within the range. They should lose the infatuation with their daft line-up hierarchy (GM5 and GX8 were glimmers of hope in this regard). We certainly don't pay any attention to it with our new never-to-be vlogging cameras.Makes a lot more sense to me, on what Panasonic was doing.Lose value depends on when you bought, and if you bought new or used.I have a few e-m1 mark 1 bodies. I bought all of them between $170-200, those were pretty common prices around 2018. They are all in pretty nice shape. Looks like an e-m1 in good shape goes for over $200 now. Pen-F is another example of this. A few years ago, $600 was not uncommon to see. Now they look more like a common $800 camera. It doesn't have a successor, and therefore, it doesn't have another camera people want, so they still will pay nearly new prices for an7 year old camera.Looks like the gm5 is holding it's ground at around $600, If you find one for $500, better buy it if you want it, it will not be there tomorrow.E-m5ii is a pretty good example of a used camera holding its price point between $300-400. Probably because the e-m5iii was a much poorer build. In the future, the e-m5iii will keep dropping, and the e-m5ii will be nearly the same price.So despite the mkiii, the mkii is holding it's value?  You see what I mean?I think Tom was original saying that the gm5 holds a good price right now, because it's the only cam of that form factor (tiny cam with an evf)..... If they made gm5ii, the gm5 would then lose a lot of value, as the gm5ii would be same form factor, but much mor feature rich experience.

Ruairi wrote:Tom Caldwell wrote:Ruairi wrote:Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Maybe if you compare it to a GM, it doesn't match up.Panasonic left out the "M". Maybe us buyers are supposed toIs it a lumpy bumpy GM?Could it very well be the runt of the litter in the G series?Seems to be. Was certainly deemed the runt among its competitors.Does this make a difference? Probably not.G9 Flagship, G95/G90 Mid Tier (which will intentionally be made less compelling than g9), G100 budget (will intentionally be made less compelling than g95/g90).Ah, but Lumix can take a fight to Sony with the technology they have. So rather than stratifying their range based on their own offerings, they could look at what Sony offer in each category and poach customers.A G100 with PDAF (unconstrained to fit under G95) would best the comparable market-leading Sony offerings.Lumix then take top spot in sales and splash their winnings on developing a luxuriant GM5 successor, and we all rejoice as our m43 lens collections increase in value.No they won't the GM5 only enjoys high resale prices because it was well made to last and that it is still completely unique as being a tiny full systems camera made for an existing system that already has a wide range of system lenses that if can use. That it similarly adds variety to the other various size/shapes of systems cameras for this mount that have already been made.Take away its uniqueness by updating it with an equally well built camera of the same size for the same systems mount an it is likely that the GM5 camera resale price will collapse.Digital bodies lose value in relatively little time. Almost all of them. Lenses are where value can be retained if a system is kept strong enough. That said, if a luxurious GM6 were developed and sold for £1200, then a used GM5 at £600 would still seem like good value. What I'm trying to say is that Lumix should put more thought into making the entire system stronger by releasing G bodies that don't merely adhere to a price bracket within the range. They should lose the infatuation with their daft line-up hierarchy (GM5 and GX8 were glimmers of hope in this regard). We certainly don't pay any attention to it with our new never-to-be vlogging cameras.Makes a lot more sense to me, on what Panasonic was doing.There was a flurry of releases of the lens-less G100 body for AUD$500 just recently.  Possibly Panasonic Australia dumping over-stock.  This would equate to perhaps GBP*300 if my conversion is any good.  Not sure if this is just an over-stocking decision or whether it is precluding the G100 being superseded/abandoned. Our "VAT" (GST) is 'only' 10%.But in any case it tripped over my curiosity switch which had been in suspended animation since the G100 was announced. Simply because I had no truck with buying a specifically video-oriented camera body.  However I have taken some advice and now have the video button as live again ...In any case it mirrors my attitude to the GM5 where once it arrived at the buy-price trigger I became a helpless addict.I had read that they made a pretty good stills camera if used as such.  But I had my reservations.  But with a TC specific setup makeover to set the camera up just like my long suffering GM5 bodies it actually is a engaging camera body to use.One of the most inviting I have had for a while - just thought I would share the good news.  At this price (if repeated elsewhere) it is a cracking good buy.But it is not a GM5 - but if the GM5 were released updated to G100 specifications without trying to make it into a video user's dream-machine and leaving the lcd fixed (yes fixed - keep any future GM5 update simple and a very basic camera body, well built and long lasting like the current one.  No increase in size necessary.  If you needed a GM5 with 'the works' and size is not an object then the G100 is a pretty good try and available NOW.  And perhaps even an affordable one.Of course the real issue is that Panasonic wishes to make good stuff and charge prices to achieve their accepted profit margins.  However consumers have their own idea of what is a reasonable price for same good stuff and only buy this when the price falls far enough.  Unfortunately Panasonic decides that if they cannot make their margins then no matter how we might wish for the same good stuff to be updated then they are not going to play ball at the price it is likely to sell well at.  Vale .... GM series, GX8, possibly the GF7-GX850 experiment, the G100, and don't forget the Olympus Pen-F and E-M1x.  All good stuff that failed to excite the market at their RRP.* Australia uses the US style keyboard with "$" sign and no obvious "pound" sign - although if I was not so lazy I could probably find one after some mysterious incantations.

Well argued as usual.  Thanks.I quite like this duck ...Panasonic lost its way in its model numbering.  There was a system going as you have outlined but somewhere they tried to rationalise it along conventional camera business lines and were only partly successful.The G100 might fall into the triple digit hierarchy on the shelves for market position but it has the heart of the 20mp sensor.  Plastic build does not mean lower standard in the Panasonic lexicon of well built gear.  It simply means lighter and somewhat larger than the more solid metal cousins.  It might also be longer lasting in the grunt and bashing about of a serious camera's use.  But for us molly-coddling amateurs maybe the plastic bodied versions will still last quite a while.  Heat does not disperse as well through a plastic heat sink and if I remember right the magnesium chassis of the GM series is supposed to be the heat sink of what is a very small camera body.The GF series is a closed book to me and when the GF7 came out with a brand new body and spare parts from the GM developed R&D then I naturally have thought that the GF7 in particular was internally based on the GM research and components. This does not mean that I disagree with the market placement.  The GF moniker was dumped pretty quickly and the GX*** designation applied.  Three digits and entry level.Of course multiple digits as designation were not going to work well with the idea of a small (tiny) camera made to high standards.  If the GM5 were updated would they call it a GM600 even if it were the same build quality and had the latest sensor and whatever support firmware that it could carry?It is not like the dslr business where only dslr bodies were made and the Canon four digit versions whilst still an dslr and could mount the same lenses were so reduced with sub-standard fittings and cut-back firmware that Canon executives should blush at the crudeness that the premium brand name was reduced to such rubbish to try and entice new users into their system. The only dslr bodies worth having were at least two digits and basically the same thing for a lot more money for the punters to hock their assets to buy into.  At the barriers the real-photographers would not be seen dead with less that a 5DIV in their hot hands.I see the G100 as the latest try by Panasonic to make a quality compact camera body that they could sell at a margin that they are happy with.  Although I am not sure that this is going to work, there is something going on where when I have a G9 and GX9 and the G100 is the one that I am reaching for.  But of course I have been doing this for years with the GM5 already.I am just surprised at my sudden enthusiasm for the G100.  It may well pass - but if so I am more likely to return to my GM5 bodies afterwards rather than make my GX9/G9 into everyday camera bodies.

I think that the stud type lug generally used by M4/3 bodies is pretty stupid.I gave up neck straps way back in the years when I still used film camera bodies.Light 'safety only' wrist straps are my thing.  Only useful in a slipped grip situation where (hopefully only) the strap will break a fall without breaking the strap itself.Such very light wrist straps are only useful to hang gear from in an emergency and then only when in relatively safe conditions.  The upshot is that when camera is not being actively used it goes in a bag with a proper carry strap.This gets back to the strap lug types.  I can see no real benefit in the stud type with a hole through which a metal strap hanger is inserted which in turn has to have a rubber attachment to prevent the metal directly rubbing on the camera body.The stud surely is not the strongest type of attachment through camera body.  But seems to generally work well except for at least one Olympus body where the QC was deficient.I simply remove the the strap hangers and my type of cheap safety-only wrist straps thread through easily but straps with a thicker attachment loop are not going to work unless the strap hangers and their propensity to rub are retained.Other brands - notably Ricoh in my experience - recess the strap bars into the body shape.  Ricoh in its GRD actually provided three positions which could be used at the discretion of the user for neck straps or wrist straps.  If a connector was not used then it was hardly noticeable as it was recessed and out of general sight.  It left the body shape smooth without protruding strap lugs visually demanding to be used.Canon recessed at least some of their dslr strap lugs similarly and on occasions used the protruding metal slot-bar that the G100 has.  For my experience only the G100 has diverged from the silly stud type lug - the change has to be for the better.  In future surely the fixing bars could reasonably be hidden away by designing them into the shape of the camera body structure.

I wrote about mine back when I got it 2 years ago: liked it then love it now.  My GX8 and GM5 sit in the cabinet.  I almost always just take the G100, really got attached to it.  Sometimes miss IBIS, but surprisingly rarely.  Yes, I wish they would make a higher / prosumer version, but in reality, it's great as it is.  It's a unique cam: big EVF, big high def rear screen, and big grip on a tiny cam.  Panasonic should not get discouraged - and just come out with a better one.

gaul wrote:Get these G100 or GX850/880 before they are gone?Thx TomSame as you, like my « new » 2nd hand GM-5 but want a backup in case it failsLooking at what happened to the excellent EOS M Series .. (Canon M6 Mk ii being stopped very suddenly and stocks disappeared IN DAYS.. when people realised they would not get the same functionalities at this SIZE and PRICE points..)That’s why I am contemplating buying a GX880 or G100 in case they encounter the same fate ..GaulHave you seen GX850/880 bodies on sale? When I looked a year ago they were already scarce... I'd probably just move to an E-P7 if my GX850 died and I couldn't find a reasonably priced replacement (well, if my GM1 had also died). The G100 w/it's hump just gets too close to the size of an OM-Dfor mebut I still like that Pana keeps daring to experiment with form factors.

Tom Caldwell wrote:Ruairi wrote:Tom Caldwell wrote:Ruairi wrote:Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Maybe if you compare it to a GM, it doesn't match up.Panasonic left out the "M". Maybe us buyers are supposed toIs it a lumpy bumpy GM?Could it very well be the runt of the litter in the G series?Seems to be. Was certainly deemed the runt among its competitors.Does this make a difference? Probably not.G9 Flagship, G95/G90 Mid Tier (which will intentionally be made less compelling than g9), G100 budget (will intentionally be made less compelling than g95/g90).Ah, but Lumix can take a fight to Sony with the technology they have. So rather than stratifying their range based on their own offerings, they could look at what Sony offer in each category and poach customers.A G100 with PDAF (unconstrained to fit under G95) would best the comparable market-leading Sony offerings.Lumix then take top spot in sales and splash their winnings on developing a luxuriant GM5 successor, and we all rejoice as our m43 lens collections increase in value.No they won't the GM5 only enjoys high resale prices because it was well made to last and that it is still completely unique as being a tiny full systems camera made for an existing system that already has a wide range of system lenses that if can use. That it similarly adds variety to the other various size/shapes of systems cameras for this mount that have already been made.Take away its uniqueness by updating it with an equally well built camera of the same size for the same systems mount an it is likely that the GM5 camera resale price will collapse.Digital bodies lose value in relatively little time. Almost all of them. Lenses are where value can be retained if a system is kept strong enough. That said, if a luxurious GM6 were developed and sold for £1200, then a used GM5 at £600 would still seem like good value. What I'm trying to say is that Lumix should put more thought into making the entire system stronger by releasing G bodies that don't merely adhere to a price bracket within the range. They should lose the infatuation with their daft line-up hierarchy (GM5 and GX8 were glimmers of hope in this regard). We certainly don't pay any attention to it with our new never-to-be vlogging cameras.Makes a lot more sense to me, on what Panasonic was doing.There was a flurry of releases of the lens-less G100 body for AUD$500 just recently. Possibly Panasonic Australia dumping over-stock. This would equate to perhaps GBP*300 if my conversion is any good. Not sure if this is just an over-stocking decision or whether it is precluding the G100 being superseded/abandoned. Our "VAT" (GST) is 'only' 10%.Lol that's just it.  Is it dead and buried, or going to make a glorious return, capture the market and put compact m43 back on the map. How do your MPs afford to geld their swimming pools and fuel their aircraft with a mere 10% GST pot to creatively dip into?But in any case it tripped over my curiosity switch which had been in suspended animation since the G100 was announced. Simply because I had no truck with buying a specifically video-oriented camera body. However I have taken some advice and now have the video button as live again ...In any case it mirrors my attitude to the GM5 where once it arrived at the buy-price trigger I became a helpless addict.I missed all that.  I thought m43 was only for video back then.I had read that they made a pretty good stills camera if used as such. But I had my reservations. But with a TC specific setup makeover to set the camera up just like my long suffering GM5 bodies it actually is a engaging camera body to use.One of the most inviting I have had for a while - just thought I would share the good news. At this price (if repeated elsewhere) it is a cracking good buy.500AUD is a steal.  It's £500 new with lens and tripod grip here.  Sales were 'good' here as a few large department stores picked up on it, but returns and used ones appeared quickly.  I guess the vloggers ran into those widely reported shortfalls.  Sales in Japan were supposedly very good.What's TC specific?But it is not a GM5 - but if the GM5 were released updated to G100 specifications without trying to make it into a video user's dream-machine and leaving the lcd fixed (yes fixed - keep any future GM5 update simple and a very basic camera body, well built and long lasting like the current one. No increase in size necessary. If you needed a GM5 with 'the works' and size is not an object then the G100 is a pretty good try and available NOW. And perhaps even an affordable one.Would not want to see a GM6 any bigger than the 5 either.  If they could squeeze a bigger panel in the existing EVF housing, a 20mp sensor, USB charging and lose the silly ears then I'd buy.  It's the one digital non-Leica camera I'd not want a flippy screen on.Of course the real issue is that Panasonic wishes to make good stuff and charge prices to achieve their accepted profit margins. However consumers have their own idea of what is a reasonable price for same good stuff and only buy this when the price falls far enough. Unfortunately Panasonic decides that if they cannot make their margins then no matter how we might wish for the same good stuff to be updated then they are not going to play ball at the price it is likely to sell well at. Vale .... GM series, GX8, possibly the GF7-GX850 experiment, the G100, and don't forget the Olympus Pen-F and E-M1x. All good stuff that failed to excite the market at their RRP.They may wish to make good stuff, but they're not bold enough with pricing - couldn't muster up the wonga to afford a more powerful processor in the G100 so C-AF and video crop turned reviewers off.  Lumix (and Nikon, and to a lesser extent Sony_ are struggling to understand the millennial $ - they're only recently realising cameras have changed and improved a lot since the Rebel T3i.  Those recently unsatisfied with smartphone cameras are often timid and won't pay for a camera the reviewers say has subpar X on their first peep into what to buy for content creation.  For Lumix X = C-AF.  It takes an uncommon tenacious sort to make DfD work for video.  GX880s and other budget spec cameras will not cut it as an entry point into content creation.  That Sony ZV-E1 will sell like hot cakes as an entry level camera, despite it's price.  Room to be undercut and downsized methinks.* Australia uses the US style keyboard with "$" sign and no obvious "pound" sign - although if I was not so lazy I could probably find one after some mysterious incantations.Ah yes, ALT code hocus pocus.

Couldn't agree more. Thought I'd give this exact thing a go with my G100 on holiday in Croatia last year.