Lea5 wrote:If you shoot dog shows and baseball games, the 1DX is the only way to go. The Sonys AF is much too slow for this. You can't compare the two systems AF at all. The Canon nails the shot at 100% even in bad light. It has the best AF I ever used. 4000 USD is okay.I shot with a Canon 5Diii for some time before purchasing a 1DX. I wouldn't hesitate to start there. I also shot next to the AP, Getty, USA Today, etc. and they used all sorts of gear. A lot of Canon 7Ds. Most movement uses center point AF anyway.

philip pj wrote:Horses for courses, as you would expect.Canon users who are interested in final image quality have a larger problem: inadequate system lenses. They are well-provided for in specialist pro needs - long teles, f2.8 zooms, TS, f1.2 old character lenses perhaps you might argue, despite their age and flaws.But leading edge enthusiast lenses, it's just not there, is it?What kind of lens is an "enthusiast lens". Sound like a classification created by a "fanboy". What optical property makes a lens a "enthusiast lens"The 85mm f/1.2L II, 14mm f/2.8L, TS-E 17mm f/4L, TS-E 24mm f/3.5L aren't just pro lenses. They are the lenses that get real work done. The number of Sony users wanting f/2.8 zooms is huge based on the forums post I've read here.Also I guess Zeiss fans didn't get your memo. They've bought ZE and now Mulvis lenses without getting any permission from you.Sony and Zeiss have an already impressive catalog of near tobest in classprimes. Better still they don't require f4 to resolve corners. And you can fit, say Leica's 50AA, 75AA and 90AA in a jiffy.Now if Sony can figure out how to manufacture a 35/1.4 or 90/2.8 Macro and get the lens elements aligned they might actually deliver copies people want to own and not have to return.I doubt Canon has even one prime lens that is best in class from 15mm to 135mm these days.Again the TS-E 17, TS-E 24, and new EF 35/1.4 II would disagree with you. And I love the ZE 21mm and 100mm f/2 Makro Planer didn't get your memo.And that's what happens when you update your primes every 20-25 years, and attend almost exclusively to pro needs - which they do do very well, as it is their remaining bread and butter - heavy lenses on a heavy camera system in a light, high image quality camera world.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_lens_mountSo they feed the pro horse, Sony and Zeiss feed the enthusiast horse.Again what is this "enthusiast horse"?Hence Batis, Loxia, FE plus everything else. Canon users can only dream of such IQ.I own both a full collection of Canon/Zeiss and Sony/Zeiss lenses and your thinking just isn't shared. I have two Canon 24-70mm zooms (f/4 IS and f/2.8 II) and a 16-35 f/4L IS that prove Sony/Zeiss still have a lot to learn about building wide and midrange zooms.Zeiss, Sony, Canon, Nikon, and Sigma all make good glass.

Steve W wrote:philip pj wrote:Horses for courses, as you would expect.Canon users who are interested in final image quality have a larger problem: inadequate system lenses. They are well-provided for in specialist pro needs - long teles, f2.8 zooms, TS, f1.2 old character lenses perhaps you might argue, despite their age and flaws.But leading edge enthusiast lenses, it's just not there, is it?What kind of lens is an "enthusiast lens". Sound like a classification created by a "fanboy". What optical property makes a lens a "enthusiast lens"The 85mm f/1.2L II, 14mm f/2.8L, TS-E 17mm f/4L, TS-E 24mm f/3.5L aren't just pro lenses. They are the lenses that get real work done. The number of Sony users wanting f/2.8 zooms is huge based on the forums post I've read here.Also I guess Zeiss fans didn't get your memo. They've bought ZE and now Mulvis lenses without getting any permission from you.Sony and Zeiss have an already impressive catalog of near tobest in classprimes. Better still they don't require f4 to resolve corners. And you can fit, say Leica's 50AA, 75AA and 90AA in a jiffy.Now if Sony can figure out how to manufacture a 35/1.4 or 90/2.8 Macro and get the lens elements aligned they might actually deliver copies people want to own and not have to return.I doubt Canon has even one prime lens that is best in class from 15mm to 135mm these days.Again the TS-E 17, TS-E 24, and new EF 35/1.4 II would disagree with you. And I love the ZE 21mm and 100mm f/2 Makro Planer didn't get your memo.And that's what happens when you update your primes every 20-25 years, and attend almost exclusively to pro needs - which they do do very well, as it is their remaining bread and butter - heavy lenses on a heavy camera system in a light, high image quality camera world.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canon_EF_lens_mountSo they feed the pro horse, Sony and Zeiss feed the enthusiast horse.Again what is this "enthusiast horse"?Hence Batis, Loxia, FE plus everything else. Canon users can only dream of such IQ.I own both a full collection of Canon/Zeiss and Sony/Zeiss lenses and your thinking just isn't shared. I have two Canon 24-70mm zooms (f/4 IS and f/2.8 II) and a 16-35 f/4L IS that prove Sony/Zeiss still have a lot to learn about building wide and midrange zooms.Zeiss, Sony, Canon, Nikon, and Sigma all make good glass.You beat me to this reply...as i say before i would like a A7 or A7ii (was looking at a A6000 but dismissed that now)this camera will be used with a lot of legacy glass but i want ONE AF lens with snappy focus around 35mmn (FF)but the lenses i look at are opticly no better than a bargain basement CanonEG the 24mmF1.8 Ziess is opticly the same or not as good as the canon 24mmF2.8 STM pancake  In the UK the ziess is £800GBP the canon is £129GBP (i get mine for £99)For the A7ii was looking at the 35mm f2.8 ziess at £350-£400  but again the canon 40mmF2.8 STM is as good or better and its cheaper than the canon 24mm.....i dont mind paying the cash if the lens matches its price tag...the Ziess primes mentioned should be better than a Canon Zoom  ..i know they are not as the 2 Canon primes they are comparable with are not as Sharpe as the canon 24-70 F2.8Lii...it also not fill me with confidence  when  lens-rentals in the US test 10 ziess lenses and find optical problems with all 10For the Canon mount i can choose from half a dozen 35mm lenses from very good to excellent from canon sigma and  Tamron so i an probably a bit spoilt

Do some checking on eBay for a 1DX, i say one yesterday, looked mint for $3099 buy it now.spending that much on a camera body is no longer in my world, I'd probably go for a well cared for used 1D IV, still a very capable machine for fast moving objects.