Reading the interview with Sony managers from October (I think it was), it seems that Sony considers APS-C the format of choice for video and hybrid cameras. But to be honest: The interview gave little hope of any significant development regarding cameras for still photographers. Do I interpret the interview correctly? Owning a couple of older APS-C bodies I am fine with what they offer and may add an a6400 in the future when the a6500 breaks down.

Nielk Mike wrote:Reading the interview with Sony managers from October (I think it was), it seems that Sony considers APS-C the format of choice for video and hybrid cameras. But to be honest: The interview gave little hope of any significant development regarding cameras for still photographers. Do I interpret the interview correctly? Owning a couple of older APS-C bodies I am fine with what they offer and may add an a6400 in the future when the a6500 breaks down.I did not read this interview. Could you post a link?Im general, these rumours have been around for many, many years and although it is obvious that Sony has been focusing on the development if their full frame-cameras, some new dedicated aps-c lenses have been released. Taking all the third-party options into consideration, we have an almost complete, high quality line of lenses.Admittedly, the last new aps-c-camera for stills shooters was the A6600- 3.5 years ago and the latest cameras and lenses have been video-centric.At this stage, we can only wait and speculate. I think the Sony APS-C-line is still very popular and it would be a dumb move to abandon it.At some point, there has to be an update to stay competitive. The A6400's AF is still class leading and it produces brilliant pictures but as we all know there is a lot of room for improvement.

Canon2018 wrote:Nielk Mike wrote:Reading the interview with Sony managers from October (I think it was), it seems that Sony considers APS-C the format of choice for video and hybrid cameras. But to be honest: The interview gave little hope of any significant development regarding cameras for still photographers. Do I interpret the interview correctly? Owning a couple of older APS-C bodies I am fine with what they offer and may add an a6400 in the future when the a6500 breaks down.I did not read this interview. Could you post a link?Im general, these rumours have been around for many, many years and although it is obvious that Sony has been focusing on the development if their full frame-cameras, some new dedicated aps-c lenses have been released. Taking all the third-party options into consideration, we have an almost complete, high quality line of lenses.Admittedly, the last new aps-c-camera for stills shooters was the A6600- 3.5 years ago and the latest cameras and lenses have been video-centric.At this stage, we can only wait and speculate. I think the Sony APS-C-line is still very popular and it would be a dumb move to abandon it.At some point, there has to be an update to stay competitive. The A6400's AF is still class leading and it produces brilliant pictures but as we all know there is a lot of room for improvement.https://www.imaging-resource.com/news/2022/10/20/sony-summer-2022-QA-APS-RX-future-BIONZ-XR-lenses-and-more

Thank you for this link. I read the interview and it was like listening to a politician who uses all sorts of evasive answers.In my opinion, it is impossible to predict future product updates based on this interview. He says that all product lines play an important role, including aps-c for still photographers. He only states that demand for video-centric gear has increased, which does not necessarily mean that there will not be room for a new aps-c camera aimed at still photography.I rather feel that there is no more room for affordable cameras. Sony cameras and lenses have always been overpriced for what they offered. An A6600 is almost as expensive as an A7C. If a new flagship aps-c-camera was released, it would most likely even surpass the A7C, limiting the number of people willing to buy such a product.

Several times he states he can't comment, and the author keeps thinking it means something good.Anyways, the oct 26 announcement was this:October 26, 2022 at 10:00 am EDT The new Sony a7R V camera will be officially announced on October 26th. Sony released a new teaser that they will announce a new alpha series camera on October 26, 2022 at 10:00 am EDT.

Canon2018 wrote:Thank you for this link. I read the interview and it was like listening to a politician who uses all sorts of evasive answers.I didn't expect anything from the interview, but read most of it because it was mentioned in this forum.I think that their product planning for short term is in continuous update based on the market demand. Long term? I think Sony will keep making APS-C cameras and lenses. There is demand for crop sensor camera and lenses, as the other manufacturers think so because they offer these.In my opinion, it is impossible to predict future product updates based on this interview. He says that all product lines play an important role, including aps-c for still photographers. He only states that demand for video-centric gear has increased, which does not necessarily mean that there will not be room for a new aps-c camera aimed at still photography.The sensor is there, lens too. If the sensor has enough MPs the electronics in the camera should allow stills too.I rather feel that there is no more room for affordable cameras. Sony cameras and lenses have always been overpriced for what they offered. An A6600 is almost as expensive as an A7C. If a new flagship aps-c-camera was released, it would most likely even surpass the A7C, limiting the number of people willing to buy such a product.Overpriced, yes, but don't offer only flagship APS-C camera, have a beginner, or low end camera too. The balance between size, price, specs and anything else, ease of use, IQ, AI, will attract more, or less market demand.

The standalone camera market has been shrinking for years.  Model upgrades come with significant development costs.Fewer people use standalone cameras as opposed to phones.  As for the minority who do, they upgrade less often.  The current generation of cameras is already very good, so it is hard to come up with significant improvements that will tempt the current users to upgrade.Sony still has a strong market position in APS-C, and has brought out some interesting new lenses for it in the past year.  It has hardly been abandoned.While we might all wish for a new camera that incorporates our favorite features, the existing line-up is still reasonably capable.I have both FF and APS-C Sony cameras, and use them on different occasions.  The A7C has significantly undermined the size advantage of APS-C, as it is not much larger (apart from telephoto needs), while having a significant quality advantage.

SamKnopf wrote:The standalone camera market has been shrinking for years. Model upgrades come with significant development costs.Fewer people use standalone cameras as opposed to phones. As for the minority who do, they upgrade less often. The current generation of cameras is already very good, so it is hard to come up with significant improvements that will tempt the current users to upgrade.Sony still has a strong market position in APS-C, and has brought out some interesting new lenses for it in the past year. It has hardly been abandoned.While we might all wish for a new camera that incorporates our favorite features, the existing line-up is still reasonably capable.I have both FF and APS-C Sony cameras, and use them on different occasions. The A7C has significantly undermined the size advantage of APS-C, as it is not much larger (apart from telephoto needs), while having a significant quality advantage.I've just ordered the a6600 to use when travelling light, considering everything I think the a6600 is a far better product than the A7C for weight and image quality does look very similar.100gr premium for 27-75 2.8 (4), impressiveBut this is off the scale compact 10-30 4 (6)

Dylan10 wrote:SamKnopf wrote:The standalone camera market has been shrinking for years. Model upgrades come with significant development costs.Fewer people use standalone cameras as opposed to phones. As for the minority who do, they upgrade less often. The current generation of cameras is already very good, so it is hard to come up with significant improvements that will tempt the current users to upgrade.Sony still has a strong market position in APS-C, and has brought out some interesting new lenses for it in the past year. It has hardly been abandoned.While we might all wish for a new camera that incorporates our favorite features, the existing line-up is still reasonably capable.I have both FF and APS-C Sony cameras, and use them on different occasions. The A7C has significantly undermined the size advantage of APS-C, as it is not much larger (apart from telephoto needs), while having a significant quality advantage.I've just ordered the a6600 to use when travelling light, considering everything I think the a6600 is a far better product than the A7C for weight and image quality does look very similar.100gr premium for 27-75 2.8 (4), impressiveI certainly won't say that you have made a bad choice, as the A6600 with the Sigma is certainly a fine package.  However, you are actually ending up with a heavier and bulkier package with the A6600 and the Sigma than you would have had with the A7C and the 28-60.On top of that, you are investing in moderately expensive lenses which can only be used on your A1 in crop mode.   Presumably you will also want to buy something like the 16-35 for your A1, if you haven't already?   The duplication of expenditure may not matter to you, but some would view it as a problem.But this is off the scale compact 10-30 4 (6)

SamKnopf wrote:Dylan10 wrote:SamKnopf wrote:The standalone camera market has been shrinking for years. Model upgrades come with significant development costs.Fewer people use standalone cameras as opposed to phones. As for the minority who do, they upgrade less often. The current generation of cameras is already very good, so it is hard to come up with significant improvements that will tempt the current users to upgrade.Sony still has a strong market position in APS-C, and has brought out some interesting new lenses for it in the past year. It has hardly been abandoned.While we might all wish for a new camera that incorporates our favorite features, the existing line-up is still reasonably capable.I have both FF and APS-C Sony cameras, and use them on different occasions. The A7C has significantly undermined the size advantage of APS-C, as it is not much larger (apart from telephoto needs), while having a significant quality advantage.I've just ordered the a6600 to use when travelling light, considering everything I think the a6600 is a far better product than the A7C for weight and image quality does look very similar.100gr premium for 27-75 2.8 (4), impressiveI certainly won't say that you have made a bad choice, as the A6600 with the Sigma is certainly a fine package. However, you are actually ending up with a heavier and bulkier package with the A6600 and the Sigma than you would have had with the A7C and the 28-60.On top of that, you are investing in moderately expensive lenses which can only be used on your A1 in crop mode. Presumably you will also want to buy something like the 16-35 for your A1, if you haven't already? The duplication of expenditure may not matter to you, but some would view it as a problem.Its an interesting point but the a6600 +10-20 was the same price as the a7c on its own and if you add the 18-55 2.8 its little more than the a7c with the 28-60. It will probably be the only 2 lenses I will buy for the a6600 to keep it small and light. The 18-300 seems really interesting too and the 10-20 compliments that too. The a6600/10-20 and 18-55 and 18-300 make a very interesting travel trio, but you pick the 10-20 to go with either.But this is off the scale compact 10-30 4 (6)

Dylan10 wrote:SamKnopf wrote:Dylan10 wrote:SamKnopf wrote:The standalone camera market has been shrinking for years. Model upgrades come with significant development costs.Fewer people use standalone cameras as opposed to phones. As for the minority who do, they upgrade less often. The current generation of cameras is already very good, so it is hard to come up with significant improvements that will tempt the current users to upgrade.Sony still has a strong market position in APS-C, and has brought out some interesting new lenses for it in the past year. It has hardly been abandoned.While we might all wish for a new camera that incorporates our favorite features, the existing line-up is still reasonably capable.I have both FF and APS-C Sony cameras, and use them on different occasions. The A7C has significantly undermined the size advantage of APS-C, as it is not much larger (apart from telephoto needs), while having a significant quality advantage.I've just ordered the a6600 to use when travelling light, considering everything I think the a6600 is a far better product than the A7C for weight and image quality does look very similar.100gr premium for 27-75 2.8 (4), impressiveI certainly won't say that you have made a bad choice, as the A6600 with the Sigma is certainly a fine package. However, you are actually ending up with a heavier and bulkier package with the A6600 and the Sigma than you would have had with the A7C and the 28-60.On top of that, you are investing in moderately expensive lenses which can only be used on your A1 in crop mode. Presumably you will also want to buy something like the 16-35 for your A1, if you haven't already? The duplication of expenditure may not matter to you, but some would view it as a problem.Its an interesting point but the a6600 +10-20 was the same price as the a7c on its own and if you add the 18-55 2.8 its little more than the a7c with the 28-60. It will probably be the only 2 lenses I will buy for the a6600 to keep it small and light. The 18-300 seems really interesting too and the 10-20 compliments that too. The a6600/10-20 and 18-55 and 18-300 make a very interesting travel trio, but you pick the 10-20 to go with either.The pricing where you are makes the a6600 relatively attractive. In North America, the a6600 body is closer to the a7c.More significantly, the aps-c system has limitations. I often use an ultra wide lens indoors in dim light. Quite often tripods are not permitted. You can get an f 2.8 ultra-wide zoom for the a7c, which is equivalent to about f2 for the smaller system. With the a6600 you are limited to an f4 ultra-wide zoom. From my point of view, if you can get significantly greater capability without spending much more or having to carry much more weight, it's worth it.Of course, if you can arrange to only shoot in good light, the aps-c camera will do just as well.But this is off the scale compact 10-30 4 (6)

Nielk Mike wrote:Reading the interview with Sony managers from October (I think it was), it seems that Sony considers APS-C the format of choice for video and hybrid cameras. But to be honest: The interview gave little hope of any significant development regarding cameras for still photographers. Do I interpret the interview correctly? Owning a couple of older APS-C bodies I am fine with what they offer and may add an a6400 in the future when the a6500 breaks down.I've read the article you linked. Obviously the Sony guy is keeping his cards close to his chest. So I wouldn't even speculate what the next high end Sony APS-C will be. I'm hoping that Sony would expect still photographers to pay slightly more for the upgrade to the A6600 so they can put more bells and whistles to it. Presently here the FX30 is selling for $ 500 more than the A6600. I do understand that if Sony would price the A6600 update higher than the FX30's price they might opt instead for an A7C or A7IV.

I wish Sony would finally get a clue from Panasonic and put a front dialaroundthe shutter button. Easy to reach, and more room on the grip. My pinky dangles off my a7RIII but not off my GX8, and they both have the same shoulder height.A small, light, affordable line of f1.8 APS primes similar to Samyang's for FE would make the a6xxx line more versatile for low-light shooters and more interesting for enthusiasts. The new 15/1.4 looks nice, but it's a bit pricey, and the prime lineup for E-mount is hit-or-miss right now, with lots of gaps.NP-FZ100 batteries across the line.Replace the reportedly awful 16-50 kit zoom with an APS equivalent of the FE 28-60, which is small, affordable and quite sharp.

Jacques Cornell wrote:I wish Sony would finally get a clue from Panasonic and put a front dialaroundthe shutter button. Easy to reach, and more room on the grip. My pinky dangles off my a7RIII but not off my GX8, and they both have the same shoulder height.A small, light, affordable line of f1.8 APS primes similar to Samyang's for FE would make the a6xxx line more versatile for low-light shooters and more interesting for enthusiasts. The new 15/1.4 looks nice, but it's a bit pricey, and the prime lineup for E-mount is hit-or-miss right now, with lots of gaps.Sony 11 1.8, 16mm optionViltrox 13 1.4, 20mm optionSony 15 1.8,  22mm optionSigma 16 1.4,  24mm optionSony 20 1.8, FF yes, but a great option for those with FF and aps-c, 30mmSamyang 24 1.8, FF yes, but a great option for those with FF and aps-c, 36mmSony 28, f2, FF yes, but as a 40mm option with improved corners from aps-c, 200grSigma 30, 1.4, 45mm optionSamyang/Sony, 35 1.8, 50mm option, great for those with aps-c and FFSamyang 45 1.8, 70mm option, not on FF?Various 50/55/56 and then Samyang 75?What gaps, haven't mentioned all of the Viltrox/Yongnuo and besides, 2.8 constant lenses are more than good enough options on aps-c, Sony's own 16-55 and Tamron 11-20.NP-FZ100 batteries across the line.a6600 is only camera of its type/size with that size battery @500grReplace the reportedly awful 16-50 kit zoom with an APS equivalent of the FE 28-60, which is small, affordable and quite sharp.Sigma 18-50 2.8, is 290gr and 2 stops faster by 41mm, plus its 27-75 vs 28-60.Obviously you could use the 28-60 on a7r3-5/A1 etc too for high resolution options but its the body shape of the 7 series and the A1 that's the issue, not necessarily the small lenses.

Dylan10 wrote:Jacques Cornell wrote:I wish Sony would finally get a clue from Panasonic and put a front dialaroundthe shutter button. Easy to reach, and more room on the grip. My pinky dangles off my a7RIII but not off my GX8, and they both have the same shoulder height.A small, light, affordable line of f1.8 APS primes similar to Samyang's for FE would make the a6xxx line more versatile for low-light shooters and more interesting for enthusiasts. The new 15/1.4 looks nice, but it's a bit pricey, and the prime lineup for E-mount is hit-or-miss right now, with lots of gaps.Sony 11 1.8, 16mm optionViltrox 13 1.4, 20mm optionSony 15 1.8, 22mm optionSigma 16 1.4, 24mm optionSony 20 1.8, FF yes, but a great option for those with FF and aps-c, 30mmSamyang 24 1.8, FF yes, but a great option for those with FF and aps-c, 36mmSony 28, f2, FF yes, but as a 40mm option with improved corners from aps-c, 200grSigma 30, 1.4, 45mm optionSamyang/Sony, 35 1.8, 50mm option, great for those with aps-c and FFSamyang 45 1.8, 70mm option, not on FF?Various 50/55/56 and then Samyang 75?What gaps, haven't mentioned all of the Viltrox/Yongnuo and besides, 2.8 constant lenses are more than good enough options on aps-c, Sony's own 16-55 and Tamron 11-20.If you count in all FF lenses, there is no gap. The problem with that is size and price of the FF lenses. The main advantage of APS-C is size. Look at the NEX5 with the 20f2.8. That's what I call small. The Sigma 16f1.4 already destroys the balance. What Sony never did is to follow Fuji's example with their f2(f2.8) lens line: 14-16-23-35-50. Brilliant, affordable small lenses  and the main reason I still own Fuji. Unfortunately, Fuji never cared about offering small beyond 50mm. Here the Sigma 90f2.8 is a valuable asset for Sony APS-C.

Nielk Mike wrote:Dylan10 wrote:Jacques Cornell wrote:I wish Sony would finally get a clue from Panasonic and put a front dialaroundthe shutter button. Easy to reach, and more room on the grip. My pinky dangles off my a7RIII but not off my GX8, and they both have the same shoulder height.A small, light, affordable line of f1.8 APS primes similar to Samyang's for FE would make the a6xxx line more versatile for low-light shooters and more interesting for enthusiasts. The new 15/1.4 looks nice, but it's a bit pricey, and the prime lineup for E-mount is hit-or-miss right now, with lots of gaps.Sony 11 1.8, 16mm optionViltrox 13 1.4, 20mm optionSony 15 1.8, 22mm optionSigma 16 1.4, 24mm optionSony 20 1.8, FF yes, but a great option for those with FF and aps-c, 30mmSamyang 24 1.8, FF yes, but a great option for those with FF and aps-c, 36mmSony 28, f2, FF yes, but as a 40mm option with improved corners from aps-c, 200grSigma 30, 1.4, 45mm optionSamyang/Sony, 35 1.8, 50mm option, great for those with aps-c and FFSamyang 45 1.8, 70mm option, not on FF?Various 50/55/56 and then Samyang 75?What gaps, haven't mentioned all of the Viltrox/Yongnuo and besides, 2.8 constant lenses are more than good enough options on aps-c, Sony's own 16-55 and Tamron 11-20.If you count in all FF lenses, there is no gap. The problem with that is size and price of the FF lenses. The main advantage of APS-C is size. Look at the NEX5 with the 20f2.8. That's what I call small. The Sigma 16f1.4 already destroys the balance. What Sony never did is to follow Fuji's example with their f2(f2.8) lens line: 14-16-23-35-50. Brilliant, affordable small lenses and the main reason I still own Fuji. Unfortunately, Fuji never cared about offering small beyond 50mm. Here the Sigma 90f2.8 is a valuable asset for Sony APS-C.Just have to add the Sigma 56 f/1.4. Incredible good, especially for the price.Is there any other APS-C line of cameras that even comes close regarding available lenses, even not counting in the ff lenses?

Dylan10 wrote:Jacques Cornell wrote:I wish Sony would finally get a clue from Panasonic and put a front dialaroundthe shutter button. Easy to reach, and more room on the grip. My pinky dangles off my a7RIII but not off my GX8, and they both have the same shoulder height.A small, light, affordable line of f1.8 APS primes similar to Samyang's for FE would make the a6xxx line more versatile for low-light shooters and more interesting for enthusiasts. The new 15/1.4 looks nice, but it's a bit pricey, and the prime lineup for E-mount is hit-or-miss right now, with lots of gaps.Sony 11 1.8, 16mm optionViltrox 13 1.4, 20mm optionSony 15 1.8, 22mm optionThere's a pricey 15/1.4, but I can't find a 15/1.8.Sigma 16 1.4, 24mm optionLarge and ungainlySony 20 1.8,FFyes, but a great option for those with FF and aps-c, 30mmSamyang 24 1.8,FFyes, but a great option for those with FF and aps-c, 36mmSony 28, f2,FFyes, but as a 40mm option with improved corners from aps-c, 200grSigma 30, 1.4, 45mm optionSamyang/Sony, 35 1.8, 50mm option, great for those with aps-c andFFSamyang 45 1.8, 70mm option, not onFF?Various 50/55/56 and thenSamyang 75?What gaps, haven't mentioned all of the Viltrox/Yongnuo and besides, 2.8 constant lenses are more than good enough options on aps-c, Sony's own 16-55 and Tamron 11-20.You've listed a whole lot of FE lenses. I asked for smaller, lighter dedicated APS primes. Something like Samyang's "tiny" line for FE, but designed and made for APS.NP-FZ100 batteries across the line.a6600 is only camera of its type/size with that size battery @500grReplace the reportedly awful 16-50 kit zoom with an APS equivalent of the FE 28-60, which is small, affordable and quite sharp.Sigma 18-50 2.8, is 290gr and 2 stops faster by 41mm, plus its 27-75 vs 28-60.Could be smaller if it were f4 or f3.5-5.6. I don't want bright. I want small and sharp.Obviously you could use the 28-60 on a7r3-5/A1 etc too for high resolution options but its the body shape of the 7 series and the A1 that's the issue, not necessarily the small lenses.Of course I could use my Samyang primes on an a6xxx body, and I expect they'd make a good match. But, if I'm not saving weight on lenses, might as well bring my a7RIII, since the weight savings just from having a smaller body is negligible.This is why I kept my Panasonic GX9 with 12-32/3.5-5.6 and 35-100/4.0-5.6 for the past two years after getting my a7RIII kit. The whole package istiny, and there are tiny f1.7-f2.0 primes available, too. I tried, I really tried, to come up with a reason to replace my MFT kit with an a6600, if only to share batteries and flash gear with my a7RIII kit. But, in the end, the 28-60 and 70-300 make the a7RIII portable enough. Rather than slide up to an a6600, I slid back to an FZ1000 MkII for casual carry.

Jacques Cornell wrote:I wish Sony would finally get a clue from Panasonic and put a front dialaroundthe shutter button. Easy to reach, and more room on the grip. My pinky dangles off my a7RIII but not off my GX8, and they both have the same shoulder height.That is silly to have.

sludge21017 wrote:Jacques Cornell wrote:I wish Sony would finally get a clue from Panasonic and put a front dialaroundthe shutter button. Easy to reach, and more room on the grip. My pinky dangles off my a7RIII but not off my GX8, and they both have the same shoulder height.That is silly to have.A dangling pinky? I agree, it's very silly.Also silly is having a dial well below the shutter button, where it takes up extra space on the grip and is harder to reach with one's index finger. I've used Panasonic and Sony bodies extensively for years, and Panasonic's dial is easier to turn, as it falls naturally under the finger and doesn't require any shift in how one grips the camera.Try it.

As a sony a6300 owner i am hoping that sony will bring to market ,not a new model, but an upgraded a6600 mk2.  They could leave the body as it is whilst changing the rear screen to a state of the art  touchscreen,visible whatever the lighting conditions, access to all camera settings ,touch to focus and shoot comparable to the functions on current micro 4/3rds cameras.  The other up grade would be in body stabilisation improved to levels comparable with current micro 4/3rds cameras. I would without a doubt purchase the camera with the stated improvements.