Yeah and since then we've had a pandemic, leading to chip shortages, economic dips and a war... And when there isn't a huge uptick in technology they dont really need to release something for the sake of it like they did before.More will come, APSC future is bright.

DutchMM wrote:It's not just about the price of the body. I would rather pay the price you mention as that of the A7III for an updated APS-C body than for a camera that is the same age (give or take) as my current A6600. The main issue for me, however, is that FF lenses are heavier; and I am no longer as young as I once was.CheersMike MHere they are only $ 50 apart. Canon knows their customers. If you are a birder you would go for the 32 MP R7 with 15 fps mechanical shutter. If you are into sports, you can go either way although lean towards the R8 with that 40 fps with a well controlled rolling shutter (as per most R6MKII reviews).BTW, in the Sony forums I get tired of the usual recommendation for birders---'oh just get a used A9'. Well some of us want brand new stuff and not only that we want the reach that an APS-C sensor can provide.I can wait. I know the flagship Sony APS-C is coming. There is no way that Sony will let a barrage of new and capable Canon APS-C cameras flood the market without reacting to it.

Nielk Mike wrote:DutchMM wrote:It's not just about the price of the body. I would rather pay the price you mention as that of the A7III for an updated APS-C body than for a camera that is the same age (give or take) as my current A6600. The main issue for me, however, is that FF lenses are heavier; and I am no longer as young as I once was.We all are further down the roadBut there are some small and light FF options. Like I carry the Sigma 24f3.5, FE50f2.5 and Sigma 90f2.8 - or just the FE28-60 kit zoom. Not very fast options, sure. But I rather compromise on speed as I don't use f1.4 or even faster that often. Of course, size and weight of the original NEX cameras with the early Sony or Sigma lenses can't be beaten. In fact that was Sony's original claim to fame: Small, yet high quality images.I still want that small camera with high quality images, waiting for an updated A5100 with the latest autofocus.CheersMike M

Nielk Mike wrote:JT26 wrote:Completely incorrect. Another APSC camera will come 100%, they have just released 3 top of the line APSC wide lenses, this doesnt happen unless they release new cameras.For v-loggers. All three lenses are mainly for folks who need WA ad UWA to get themselves into the frame. Same for the UAW PZ zoom. Those releases say nothing about still cameras.Because stills photographers NEVER use ultra wide lenses.

My 14-30mm lens is my most used lens I own. I am 95% stills.11mm 1.815mm 1.4 and great for Astro and landscapesthe 10-20 is a gem and perfect for landscape photography too. Plus a power zoom for video. Remember this is the same as their 16-35. Sony like putting features into their gear, when they do that it doesn’t change the market it adds to it

Son Of Mustang Ford wrote:Nielk Mike wrote:JT26 wrote:Completely incorrect. Another APSC camera will come 100%, they have just released 3 top of the line APSC wide lenses, this doesnt happen unless they release new cameras.For v-loggers. All three lenses are mainly for folks who need WA ad UWA to get themselves into the frame. Same for the UAW PZ zoom. Those releases say nothing about still cameras.Because stills photographers NEVER use ultra wide lenses.No, because they don't care for a power zoom. As regards prime lenses: There are many focal lenghts that Sony could have addressed. I mean: What is their prime line up for APS-C? Disregard Sigma for a moment. The 16f2.8? Forget it. The 20f2.8, the 24f.18, the 35 and 50. All of the were released like when? 10 years ago? All could use an update as lens design has come a long way since then.

You’ve not listened to a thing, not taken in anything that’s been said.yes their prime lineup is rubbish, but with two ultra wides it’s now better, and that’ll develop more with future releases. You cannot design everything at the same time, they’ve rightly focussed on the more lucrative A7 FE system, but now that’s fleshed out they’re improving the apsc lineup.Correct photographers don’t care for power zooms? But many are into photo and video and having a power zoom makes it extremely attractive and saves having two different lenses.

JT26 wrote:You’ve not listened to a thing, not taken in anything that’s been said.No need to become agressive. I do listen, and I do read. We just have different views.yes their prime lineup is rubbish, but with two ultra wides it’s now better, and that’ll develop more with future releases. You cannot design everything at the same time, they’ve rightly focussed on the more lucrative A7 FE system, but now that’s fleshed out they’re improving the apsc lineup.I don't see any sign of improvement other than for the v-logger market.Correct photographers don’t care for power zooms? But many are into photo and video and having a power zoom makes it extremely attractive and saves having two different lenses.I don't care for power zooms. But I did order the 10-20 as it is a good lens and will work just fine on my FF cameras when I want a small footprint. Also ordered a Sigma 18-50f2.8 (which I found disappointing with Fuji mount - firmware issue and strange profile error when importing DNGs from DxO PL to LR).

Aggressive? Haha. Amazing. I see…Thats a limited opinion. Anyone wanting a quality wide angle lens now have three amazing ones to chose from, be it video photo or vlog.That is as factual as it gets. As said they cannot do it all, at the same time

Nielk Mike wrote:JT26 wrote:Completely incorrect. Another APSC camera will come 100%, they have just released 3 top of the line APSC wide lenses, this doesnt happen unless they release new cameras.For v-loggers. All three lenses are mainly for folks who need WA ad UWA to get themselves into the frame. Same for the UAW PZ zoom. Those releases say nothing about still cameras.I don't shoot video except on my iphone. But I didn't know that the 15G was mainly for vloggers? I missed that memo. I bought one as a photographer because it is so light and sharp and definitely a mini 24/1.4 G for full frame. 24mm is a very popular focal range for photographers.The 24mm is regularly used by landscapers and travel photographers. And good for some creative portraits too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR-gDHsph60&t=228shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkD4YkibZTc

I shoot Sony aps-c, photography only, and the 15mm 1.4 as well as the 11mm 1.8 are VERY attractive options for me. I have not bought them so far as I have a sharp 10-18 and the very versatile 16-55G so I thought I could save the money. I might add the 15mm if the price comes down a little. I loved the Sigma 16mm and only sold it for its big size and I am thinking about replacing the 10-18 with the 11mm 1.8 because it is smaller and has a much wider aperture. Ideal for landscape as well as dimly-lit interiors.

JT26 wrote:Aggressive? Haha. Amazing. I see…Yes, agressive and totally unwarranted.Thats a limited opinion.Just like your limited opinion.Anyone wanting a quality wide angle lens now have three amazing ones to chose from, be it video photo or vlog.The original question was: Does the interview give hope for still photographers to see new cameras aimed at still photography. Not: Has Sony developed good WA lenses? Most reviewers have concluded that those lenses are aimed at v-loggers.That is as factual as it gets. As said they cannot do it all, at the same timeYou seem to have insider knowledge as to what Sony can and cannot do at the same time.

José B wrote:Nielk Mike wrote:JT26 wrote:Completely incorrect. Another APSC camera will come 100%, they have just released 3 top of the line APSC wide lenses, this doesnt happen unless they release new cameras.For v-loggers. All three lenses are mainly for folks who need WA ad UWA to get themselves into the frame. Same for the UAW PZ zoom. Those releases say nothing about still cameras.I don't shoot video except on my iphone. But I didn't know that the 15G was mainly for vloggers? I missed that memo. I bought one as a photographer because it is so light and sharp and definitely a mini 24/1.4 G for full frame. 24mm is a very popular focal range for photographers.The 24mm is regularly used by landscapers and travel photographers. And good for some creative portraits too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR-gDHsph60&t=228shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkD4YkibZTcYou didn't miss any memo - but a number of reviews when the lenses came out concluding that three WA/UAW lenses launched at the same time clearly pointed towards Sony commitment to v-loggers, i.e. video. Of course all the lenses can be used for still photography. I have ordered the 10-20.

Nielk Mike wrote:José B wrote:Nielk Mike wrote:JT26 wrote:Completely incorrect. Another APSC camera will come 100%, they have just released 3 top of the line APSC wide lenses, this doesnt happen unless they release new cameras.For v-loggers. All three lenses are mainly for folks who need WA ad UWA to get themselves into the frame. Same for the UAW PZ zoom. Those releases say nothing about still cameras.I don't shoot video except on my iphone. But I didn't know that the 15G was mainly for vloggers? I missed that memo. I bought one as a photographer because it is so light and sharp and definitely a mini 24/1.4 G for full frame. 24mm is a very popular focal range for photographers.The 24mm is regularly used by landscapers and travel photographers. And good for some creative portraits too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR-gDHsph60&t=228shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkD4YkibZTcYou didn't miss any memo - but a number of reviews when the lenses came out concluding that three WA/UAW lenses launched at the same time clearly pointed towards Sony commitment to v-loggers, i.e. video. Of course all the lenses can be used for still photography. I have ordered the 10-20.Sony has great UAW and WA lenses including the Touit 12/2.8 which I own. I would have opted for the 10-20 if it wasn't for the Touit. IMHO, the Sony APS-C lens lineup is stacked and I am not even counting third party. They just have to deliver the much delayed (well at least a year) of the A6600 replacement. I am not in a hurry so 2024 spring release is even good for me.

José B wrote:Nielk Mike wrote:José B wrote:Nielk Mike wrote:JT26 wrote:Completely incorrect. Another APSC camera will come 100%, they have just released 3 top of the line APSC wide lenses, this doesnt happen unless they release new cameras.For v-loggers. All three lenses are mainly for folks who need WA ad UWA to get themselves into the frame. Same for the UAW PZ zoom. Those releases say nothing about still cameras.I don't shoot video except on my iphone. But I didn't know that the 15G was mainly for vloggers? I missed that memo. I bought one as a photographer because it is so light and sharp and definitely a mini 24/1.4 G for full frame. 24mm is a very popular focal range for photographers.The 24mm is regularly used by landscapers and travel photographers. And good for some creative portraits too.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jR-gDHsph60&t=228shttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DkD4YkibZTcYou didn't miss any memo - but a number of reviews when the lenses came out concluding that three WA/UAW lenses launched at the same time clearly pointed towards Sony commitment to v-loggers, i.e. video. Of course all the lenses can be used for still photography. I have ordered the 10-20.Sony has great UAW and WA lenses including the Touit 12/2.8 which I own. I would have opted for the 10-20 if it wasn't for the Touit. IMHO, the Sony APS-C lens lineup is stacked and I am not even counting third party. They just have to deliver the much delayed (well at least a year) of the A6600 replacement. I am not in a hurry so 2024 spring release is even good for me.Forgot to mention: I'll be using the 10-20 and my other APS-C lenses mostly on Sony FF cameras. The a7r3 provides more than enough pixels and doesn't have an AA filter, and the even the a7c returns sufficient pixels. Do I am not really waiting for a new Sony APS-C camera. And if I look at some of the rumors, if the new APS-C model was a FF size body with an APS-C sensor - what good would that be?I think that Sony also banks on people using FF crop mode to achieve "reach" for briding and sports.

I’d love to know what part was aggressive?Remember most YouTube reviewers are videographers and bloggers by default, they need video to produce their ‘video’… rarely are photographers on YouTube reviewing for photography, this is far less common so you’ll clearly get a bias.I will use the 10-20mm 95% for photography. It’s tiny, super sharp light. It’s not a video lens, it’s just a lens.These lens released has made me buy an A6500 as a second small system. So there is your proof, on top of other replies to you too.A skill in life is to listen to others and re evaluate your stance. If three people say they’re bought only for photography it kinda nullifies your point, eh.

[text snipped]Forgot to mention: I'll be using the 10-20 and my other APS-C lenses mostly on Sony FF cameras. The a7r3 provides more than enough pixels and doesn't have an AA filter, and the even the a7c returns sufficient pixels. Do I am not really waiting for a new Sony APS-C camera. And if I look at some of the rumors, if the new APS-C model was a FF size body with an APS-C sensor - what good would that be?I think that Sony also banks on people using FF crop mode to achieve "reach" for briding and sports.For birding and sports Sony has the FF options in the A9 and A7R series. However in my case they are more expensive than the price of A6600. Also, you got to have the right lenses. Justin and a few others have done well with their A6600/A6500 and 200-600mm rigs shooting wildlife. In my case for the sports that I do, I need something longer than a 135mm if I want to shoot with the faster A9MKII/MKI. Also I couldn't afford those bodies and I'm reluctant to buy them used.So from an affordability standpoint I am better off if Sony would come out with regular updates of their A6xxx series. I changed my mind with the future release----it doesn't matter to me if they continue with the rangefinder type or with a bigger body like the A7 series. As someone said in maybe another forum----'you marry the lens(es) and date the body'.

I agree with everything @joseB says.   In my case for reasons of affordability as well as photography.  And weight, because these old shoulders aren't as strong as they used to be,CheersMike

JT26 wrote:I’d love to know what part was aggressive?Telling someone they are listining or taking info in is not aggressive? It is where I live.Remember most YouTube reviewers are videographers and bloggers by default, they need video to produce their ‘video’… rarely are photographers on YouTube reviewing for photography, this is far less common so you’ll clearly get a bias.I will use the 10-20mm 95% for photography. It’s tiny, super sharp light. It’s not a video lens, it’s just a lens.These lens released has made me buy an A6500 as a second small system. So there is your proof, on top of other replies to you too.A skill in life is to listen to others and re evaluate your stance. If three people say they’re bought only for photography it kinda nullifies your point, eh.What exactly am I supposed to re-evaluate? The question has not been wheter the new lenses can be used for still photography. Of course they can. And both, the 11 and 15 are a welcome addition. But the question was: Are they any indication that Sony will launch future APS-C cameras with a focus on still images? My take is that they don't - also based on others who point out that UAW and PZ point towards video. The fact that you and I and others are also using them in still photography doesn't change that.

DutchMM wrote:I agree with everything @joseB says. In my case for reasons of affordability as well as photography. And weight, because these old shoulders aren't as strong as they used to be,CheersMikeI recently got the Canon R6MKII my first Canon mirrorless. One advantage of this is I can use my EF (the ones I use for my DSLRs) seamlessly with the adapter. I did my first walkabout with my standard lens 24-105/4. The weight didn't bother me but it will take awhile to get used to the bulk again. For walkabouts and for travel----the A6600 and 16-70/4 OSS is definitely easier to carry and I think the IQ is almost the same compared to my Canon gear.