I am hopeful that since Nikon will be having their 85 1.2 for their mirrorless systems,  Sony will release one sooner rather than later.    I didn't realize I'd miss having a standard portrait lens since I sold the Sigma 105 1.4 (utterly amazing).  I will hold out either for a fast 105 or 85.

Why?

WarrenPeas wrote:I am hopeful that since Nikon will be having their 85 1.2 for their mirrorless systems, Sony will release one sooner rather than later. I didn't realize I'd miss having a standard portrait lens since I sold the Sigma 105 1.4 (utterly amazing). I will hold out either for a fast 105 or 85.I think it's on its way. I sold my 85GM a while back to make room for this rumored lens as I am not using my Sony for portrait ever since my Z9 arrived, also knowing the 85GM is one of the oldest GM lens that is due for a refresh, so I am pretty sure the replacement will be here really soon, and looking at their 50 F1.2, i am sure will be another great portrait lens when it finally arrives, actually the current 85GM is already so great optically, just little slow in focusing. but the Bokeh quality is already top notch.In the mean while I just pre-ordered the Nikon 85 1.2 for my Nikon system, so I can replace my 105 F1.4E, 105 F2 DC, AIS 105 F2.5 AIS with one single 85 and avoid using adapter.

Djehuty wrote:Why?For the obvious reason that portrait photographer whom desire fast prime in this focal length.

WarrenPeas wrote:Djehuty wrote:Why?For the obvious reason that portrait photographer whom desire fast prime in this focal length.F/1.2 seems like overkill. I have an 85mm F/1.8 and rarely use it wide open. If the eyes are in focus, the ears are out of focus.It's like an arms race among manufacturers, to show who can be more pro.

SamKnopf wrote:WarrenPeas wrote:Djehuty wrote:Why?For the obvious reason that portrait photographer whom desire fast prime in this focal length.F/1.2 seems like overkill. I have an 85mm F/1.8 and rarely use it wide open. If the eyes are in focus, the ears are out of focus.It's like an arms race among manufacturers, to show who can be more pro.1.2 sounds cool, but I don't want to pay the size, weight and cost increase over a 1.4 or 1.8.  Especially in this focal length.  The weaknesses of the 85mm 1.4 GM is not it's aperture.

ronscuba wrote:SamKnopf wrote:WarrenPeas wrote:Djehuty wrote:Why?For the obvious reason that portrait photographer whom desire fast prime in this focal length.F/1.2 seems like overkill. I have an 85mm F/1.8 and rarely use it wide open. If the eyes are in focus, the ears are out of focus.It's like an arms race among manufacturers, to show who can be more pro.1.2 sounds cool, but I don't want to pay the size, weight and cost increase over a 1.4 or 1.8. Especially in this focal length. The weaknesses of the 85mm 1.4 GM is not it's aperture.There's a portfolio from Mark Galer showing off the 20-70 f/4. He has lots of examples showing that even at 70mm and f/4 you can get fine portraits with blurred backgrounds. E.g.,https://www.flickr.com/photos/markgaler/52633304633/in/album-72177720305322603/At 85mm, f/2.8 is often ideal.

WarrenPeas wrote:I am hopeful that since Nikon will be having their 85 1.2 for their mirrorless systems,what happened to the z200-600, that's been on the nikon roadmap for what, 3 years? etc.85/1.2 is going in the wrong direction, and no doubt it'll have another slow stepper motor in it... just more proof that e-mount is the place to be.

SamKnopf wrote:ronscuba wrote:SamKnopf wrote:WarrenPeas wrote:Djehuty wrote:Why?For the obvious reason that portrait photographer whom desire fast prime in this focal length.F/1.2 seems like overkill. I have an 85mm F/1.8 and rarely use it wide open. If the eyes are in focus, the ears are out of focus.It's like an arms race among manufacturers, to show who can be more pro.1.2 sounds cool, but I don't want to pay the size, weight and cost increase over a 1.4 or 1.8. Especially in this focal length. The weaknesses of the 85mm 1.4 GM is not it's aperture.There's a portfolio from Mark Galer showing off the 20-70 f/4. He has lots of examples showing that even at 70mm and f/4 you can get fine portraits with blurred backgrounds. E.g.,https://www.flickr.com/photos/markgaler/52633304633/in/album-72177720305322603/At 85mm, f/2.8 is often ideal.I agree with adjusting blur through positioning in addition to lens aperture. Subject in focus, background/foreground blurred to taste. Shot at 2.8 24-70 Sigma and 1.4 85mm Samyang.  I might replace my SY, but it would not be get 1.2 aperture.

The Sigma and Samyang 85/1.4 lenses are all I need from this focal length. I'd be glad to see Sony make an 85/1.2, but I wouldn't buy it.

WarrenPeas wrote:I am hopeful that since Nikon will be having their 85 1.2 for their mirrorless systems, Sony will release one sooner rather than later. I didn't realize I'd miss having a standard portrait lens since I sold the Sigma 105 1.4 (utterly amazing). I will hold out either for a fast 105 or 85.We'll see a GM 85 with f/1.2 within a year or so - don't worry - it'll come and it'll be as good as the Gm 50 f/1.2 - just an outstanding lens 2nd to none.In the meantime have fun with the existing GM 85.It is already a very very nice lens with prefect out of focus blur and it's more than sharp enough. The number of situations where you'll need f/1.2 is limited. Though I have to admit in the situations where it works it's indispensable for my taste.Don't listen to the nay sayers that don't understand the usefulness of a fast prime.Fun fact - the Canon 85 f/1.2 L was so soft wide open that it was unusable for me. Rented it twice and never liked it. My GM 50 is just amazing in sharpness wide open - the Gm 85 f/1.2 will be surely similar in capabilities but it will be on the pricy side as all new lenses.Just educated guessing but I am pretty sure that we'll see a 100 MP camera body and some really nice lenses.

SamKnopf wrote:WarrenPeas wrote:Djehuty wrote:Why?For the obvious reason that portrait photographer whom desire fast prime in this focal length.F/1.2 seems like overkill. I have an 85mm F/1.8 and rarely use it wide open. If the eyes are in focus, the ears are out of focus.It's like an arms race among manufacturers, to show who can be more pro.Realistically they'd either be standing further back to get the subject in focus or go smaller like 1.4 unless they like having the nose OOF, that's what F1.2 entails because of the razor thin DOF.

joger wrote:WarrenPeas wrote:I am hopeful that since Nikon will be having their 85 1.2 for their mirrorless systems, Sony will release one sooner rather than later. I didn't realize I'd miss having a standard portrait lens since I sold the Sigma 105 1.4 (utterly amazing). I will hold out either for a fast 105 or 85.We'll see a GM 85 with f/1.2 within a year or so - don't worry - it'll come and it'll be as good as the Gm 50 f/1.2 - just an outstanding lens 2nd to none.In the meantime have fun with the existing GM 85.It is already a very very nice lens with prefect out of focus blur and it's more than sharp enough. The number of situations where you'll need f/1.2 is limited. Though I have to admit in the situations where it works it's indispensable for my taste.Don't listen to the nay sayers that don't understand the usefulness of a fast prime.Fun fact - the Canon 85 f/1.2 L was so soft wide open that it was unusable for me. Rented it twice and never liked it. My GM 50 is just amazing in sharpness wide open - the Gm 85 f/1.2 will be surely similar in capabilities but it will be on the pricy side as all new lenses.Just educated guessing but I am pretty sure that we'll see a 100 MP camera body and some really nice lenses.I didn't read anyone questioning the usefulness of a fast prime. It is needing 1.2 vs 1.4 in 85mm, with the lens size, weight and cost increases because of 1.2, that people are questioning.This is similar to what we have with 35mm. Sigma 35 1.2 substantially larger and heavier than the Sigma 35 1.4 and Sony 1.4 GM.I am sure a new 85mm GM will be an awesome lens. Question is how much better it will be over current lenses besides aperture.As Sony users, we are spoiled with quality lens choices.

Djehuty wrote:SamKnopf wrote:WarrenPeas wrote:Djehuty wrote:Why?For the obvious reason that portrait photographer whom desire fast prime in this focal length.F/1.2 seems like overkill. I have an 85mm F/1.8 and rarely use it wide open. If the eyes are in focus, the ears are out of focus.It's like an arms race among manufacturers, to show who can be more pro.Realistically they'd either be standing further back to get the subject in focus or go smaller like 1.4 unless they like having the nose OOF, that's what F1.2 entails because of the razor thin DOF.I have been using 85 1.2 for the last 20 years, start from the Canon EF 85 MK I and later switched to MK II, never have that " only one eyes in focus" problem, unless I shoot super close to the model, for full length or even half body, NEVER have such thing so i have no idea what the guy was talking. I also owned a 85GM for about 3-4 year, never have that issue either, so i am a huge fan of the 85 1.2 and have one on pre-order.

Dan_168 wrote:Djehuty wrote:SamKnopf wrote:WarrenPeas wrote:Djehuty wrote:Why?For the obvious reason that portrait photographer whom desire fast prime in this focal length.F/1.2 seems like overkill. I have an 85mm F/1.8 and rarely use it wide open. If the eyes are in focus, the ears are out of focus.It's like an arms race among manufacturers, to show who can be more pro.Realistically they'd either be standing further back to get the subject in focus or go smaller like 1.4 unless they like having the nose OOF, that's what F1.2 entails because of the razor thin DOF.I have been using 85 1.2 for the last 20 years, start from the Canon EF 85 MK I and later switched to MK II, never have that " only one eyes in focus" problem, unless I shoot super close to the model, for full length or even half body, NEVER have such thing so i have no idea what the guy was talking. I also owned a 85GM for about 3-4 year, never have that issue either, so i am a huge fan of the 85 1.2 and have one on pre-order.Shooting headshots with an 85mm set at 1.2.  Will both eyes be in focus ?

Like any other lens with a certain f/stop in regards to focal range you need to stand the appropriate distance to subject. 1.2 are handy in those situations where you don’t shoot super close.At 3.5m it has almost the same DOF of a 135 at 3.2. (Obviously the framing and look is not even remotely the same)So anyone saying it’s not useful what would you think of 1.8 at 135

MILC man wrote:WarrenPeas wrote:I am hopeful that since Nikon will be having their 85 1.2 for their mirrorless systems,what happened to the z200-600, that's been on the nikon roadmap for what, 3 years? etc.85/1.2 is going in the wrong direction, and no doubt it'll have another slow stepper motor in it... just more proof that e-mount is the place to be.And what relevance does the lack of a Z 200-600 have with this? You don't have to go full defensive mode every time Sony gets mentioned.Personally I'm interested in an 85mm f/1.2 or f/1.4 for theatre and stage work in addition to the generic portrait work. Thus, really hope they have relatively fast AF.

ronscuba wrote:joger wrote:WarrenPeas wrote:I am hopeful that since Nikon will be having their 85 1.2 for their mirrorless systems, Sony will release one sooner rather than later. I didn't realize I'd miss having a standard portrait lens since I sold the Sigma 105 1.4 (utterly amazing). I will hold out either for a fast 105 or 85.We'll see a GM 85 with f/1.2 within a year or so - don't worry - it'll come and it'll be as good as the Gm 50 f/1.2 - just an outstanding lens 2nd to none.In the meantime have fun with the existing GM 85.It is already a very very nice lens with prefect out of focus blur and it's more than sharp enough. The number of situations where you'll need f/1.2 is limited. Though I have to admit in the situations where it works it's indispensable for my taste.Don't listen to the nay sayers that don't understand the usefulness of a fast prime.Fun fact - the Canon 85 f/1.2 L was so soft wide open that it was unusable for me. Rented it twice and never liked it. My GM 50 is just amazing in sharpness wide open - the Gm 85 f/1.2 will be surely similar in capabilities but it will be on the pricy side as all new lenses.Just educated guessing but I am pretty sure that we'll see a 100 MP camera body and some really nice lenses.I didn't read anyone questioning the usefulness of a fast prime. It is needing 1.2 vs 1.4 in 85mm, with the lens size, weight and cost increases because of 1.2, that people are questioning.This is similar to what we have with 35mm. Sigma 35 1.2 substantially larger and heavier than the Sigma 35 1.4 and Sony 1.4 GM.I am sure a new 85mm GM will be an awesome lens. Question is how much better it will be over current lenses besides aperture.As Sony users, we are spoiled with quality lens choices.+1Agree with that. It's all a question about how much blurry background one needs or wants, and how much weight, size and $$$ one is willing to spend to achieve that last little extra in blur. To me f1.8 in a 85mm lens is perfectly fine. Gives perfectly pleasing portraits. So I guess I am luckyThe choices we have in E-mount are astounding!

dazzerfong wrote:MILC man wrote:WarrenPeas wrote:I am hopeful that since Nikon will be having their 85 1.2 for their mirrorless systems,what happened to the z200-600, that's been on the nikon roadmap for what, 3 years? etc.85/1.2 is going in the wrong direction, and no doubt it'll have another slow stepper motor in it... just more proof that e-mount is the place to be.And what relevance does the lack of a Z 200-600 have with this? You don't have to go full defensive mode every time Sony gets mentioned.And how is a z85/1.2 relevant to this?nikon obviously won't be making it in e-mount.Personally I'm interested in an 85mm f/1.2 or f/1.4 for theatre and stage work in addition to the generic portrait work. Thus, really hope they have relatively fast AF.sony already has an 85/1.4 that'll do 20fps on the a1.sounds like you need to review the sony lens lineup, and maybe stop worrying that what nikon does is somehow relevant to sony:Continuous Shooting E-mount lenses | SONY

Malling wrote:Like any other lens with a certain f/stop in regards to focal range you need to stand the appropriate distance to subject. 1.2 are handy in those situations where you don’t shoot super close.i agree to a certain extent, i've seen that effect with the 135/1.8 wide open, but...At 3.5m it has almost the same DOF of a 135 at 3.2. (Obviously the framing and look is not even remotely the same)it looks totally different because the background changes, but as you inferred that's not dof.cropping the shot for instance will change the appearance of dof, and so will the display size of the photo, take a look at it on a smartphone."...focal length does not actually influence DoF if you adjust the camera-subject distance so that the magnification of your subject is the same."Understanding Depth of Field - A Beginner's Guide (photographylife.com)So anyone saying it’s not useful what would you think of 1.8 at 135i was glad to have it for sports shooting, but then sony already has an 85/1.4 so this is an argument about f/1.4 vs. f/1.2there is little point in lugging a heavy f/1.2 lens around if you are going to shoot it stopped down.