Ramon767 wrote:Im irritated because I backed Nikon via my purchasing and had an expectation of a fuller rangeAs I mentioned earlier there was a very significant time delay between the D300 and your D500.Nikon has said there will be both further ML bodies and that Z9 technology will trickle down.Patience can be a virtue using Nikon.There will be a wider Nikon body range - though at Nikons definition of "soon".

TheWillRogers wrote:jjz2 wrote:Franz304 wrote:jjz2 wrote:Franz304 wrote:That's kinda a flawed logic, because if phones can take over APS-C, it doesn't take that much more to take over FF too. The reason APS-C has fallen behind more than FF is because camera makers hold back features in almost all of their APS-C bodies, because they paternalistically decided that DX=casual....but the casual segment of the market has been gone since years by now, so they will of course struggle selling such bodies.Fuji is the only company treating aps-c right, but even then, their smaller cams don’t get the goods and have actually been taking key features and buttons away from their smaller cams like xt30 and xe4. Of course those don’t get WR either. The xe4 had particularly been stripped from what the xe2 had... So to get more buttons and features or wr you have to get the x pro or x t4, then you’re spending FF money and into FF type weight.Yes and no, you can already get almost everything with an XS10, which costs only 999$ on amazon. Sure, it does not have 100% features of the pro cameras, but that's really good value for the money. Above all, you get IBIS over the Z50.No WR, and that body is noticeably bigger than the 2 I mentioned, esp the XE4, 100g heavier. The no WR small body is still a big whiff for Fuji I always thought, esp with having 16/23/27/35/50mm primes that were all WR.Yes, I know there are a lot of pros/cons and each. My fave Fuji cam in design was the XE2, it's what got me into mirrorless. I guess I am kind of mad at what they did to it over the iterations.The XS10 has the PSAM setup which is good for those who want that, that's true. I would still recommend Fuji over Nikon for basically anything APS-C related if you are only shooting APS-C.If the X-S10 was out when I got my Z50 I might have considered it. The fact that the Z50 two-lens kit is less than the X-S10 with 18-55mm really does put them in entirely different price brackets. The X-S10 also isn't weather sealed which heavily limits its usable scenarios.You haven't missed anything passing by X-S10. I have tried it with 18-55 f2.8-4 lens and it did not perform up to the expectations. My D500 IQ is much better with cheaper lens. X-S10 generated somehow flat picture, lack of sharpness... Something was off. So at the end instead of fuji I bought fo my daughter slightly used Z6 for the same price and IQ is much better...

Ramon767 wrote:You could be right. But the Z7iii could be another incremental change too.and it could be 6 months away or it could be announced, be 6 months from production and then never be produced in numbers significant enough to supply the non-US market.Even if all it gets is the new chip, that’s already a good enough incremental change.It’s a matter of when, not if. Things will happen when they happen.

April 2022 pg 3 -https://www.nikon.com/about/ir/ir_library/result/Leonard Shepherd wrote:Ramon767 wrote:Im irritated because I backed Nikon via my purchasing and had an expectation of a fuller rangeAs I mentioned earlier there was a very significant time delay between the D300 and your D500.Nikon has said there will be both further ML bodies and that Z9 technology will trickle down.Patience can be a virtue using Nikon.There will be a wider Nikon body range - though at Nikons definition of "soon".

chambeshi wrote:April 2022 pg 3 -https://www.nikon.com/about/ir/ir_library/result/If Nikon - with support from Tamron for lower price point optics - introduce new lenses at the rate of 12 a year, there could be 50 Z mount lenses plan in the range by 31st March 2024.There is an ongoing transition from F to Z lenses.In the UK currently there are fewer than 50 F mount FX lenses still listed as available new - though still ahead of Z FX at 30.Within 12 months F mount FX lens availability could be down to 35 and Z mount availability up to 40.

At least 11 more for Nikon to add to the current Z System roadmap, to get to at least 50 by early 2024, and assuming we see a couple more released from promised line up before Xmas 2022. but there may be more unexpected arrivals (besides Tamron's 3rd party Z Lenses).Logically, a more affordable "Baby Z9" aka DX Z90 and/or the Z8 body are indicated for the 200-600. Then demand for them will be deafening: thus a dire need. So sooner than later IMHO, given the IR presentation underscores "...deploying Advanced Z9 features..."20th September 2022

If baby Z9 aka dx Z90 is introduced, it would also need fast dx zooms (class s) and some prime as well. Otherwise, all Z90 owners would be forced use heavy FX glasses.Seng

s.seng wrote:If baby Z9 aka dx Z90 is introduced, it would also need fast dx zooms (class s) and some prime as well. Otherwise, all Z90 owners would be forced use heavy FX glasses.SengI'd wager the majority of potential Z900/Z90 customers would have no interest in DX lenses. They're serious wildlife and sports photograhers who'd use the camera with the 200-600mm, 500mm PF, 400mm f/4.5, 70-200mm f/2.8 and other FX glass.Z50 costumers on the other hand...

s.seng wrote:If baby Z9 aka dx Z90 is introduced, it would also need fast dx zooms (class s) and some prime as well.Otherwise, all Z90 owners would be forced use heavy FX glasses.SengI don't know why people insist on saying this lol. Fuji's comparable prime lenses to Nikon's current S prime lenses are roughly the same size. There's even a long discussion on the Sony NEX board concluding that APS-C lenses are only noticeably smaller for slow zoom lenses.  Nikon would have to do something no one else on the market is doing.

s.seng wrote:If baby Z9 aka dx Z90 is introduced, it would also need fast dx zooms (class s) and some prime as well. Otherwise, all Z90 owners would be forced use heavy FX glasses.SengI’m not convinced. The equivalent of the Z90 in the DSLR world would be the D500. I bet that most people who used or are using that camera paired it with FX telephotos for wildlife or sports photography.