Ruairi wrote:BobT3218 wrote: Also, if I may be a little tongue-in-cheek, can we have rule that we use the descriptor "Olympus" only to refer to items produced by the historic Olympus Imaging and not OMDS.For some time in the forseeable future — possibly until the end of time or OMDS, whichever comes first — there will be much more "Olympus" photo gear out there than there is "OM SYSTEM" gear out there.Unless your intention with that comment was that the discussion be limited to new gear only!Out of several hundred photographic items that function with my µ4/3rds bodies, onlytwoof them are from OMDS!

Tom Caldwell wrote:mister_roboto wrote:gaul wrote:Attn M4/3 users - WHERE do we regroup once DPR closes?Bien triste 😢 / Too sadMais merci à l’équipe ! But Thx à lot to the team!https://www.dpreview.com/aboutGaulhttps://www.mu-43.com/I mean, most people here probably already know about it.Roberto - no way am I willing to filter my way through the blizzard of advertisements on mu-43.Not only that, but they often appear to lack adult supervision.I was banned because someone hacked my account and posted some stolen equipment. NO ONE WOULD TALK TO ME! No admins, even after repeated attempts! And it would not let me create a new account! It kept saying, "Waiting for admin approval," and wouldn't let me post anything.So, I gave up on µ4/3rds for over a year.Only recently, one of their admins contacted me about one of my year-old messages. He graciously restored my access.I like that site, but there's something seriously wrong there.Anyone who will set up a site owned by a non-profit with a board from among its users will have all my focus and help! THAT is the ONLY way we can guarantee that the site won't be sold or closed out from under us again.

Guy Parsons wrote:Crazy Micro Four Thirds Dude wrote:Tom Caldwell wrote:Paul De Bra wrote:Tom Caldwell wrote:... Just my opinion and I would be happier with a site where I did not have to ad-block to make it bearable.You mean you would be happier with a site that's not like dpreview?Frankly the advertisements on dpreview have never bothered me - they are easy to ignore.mu-43 advertisements are huge, and right in your face slap bang in the middle of the conversation.Any site that cannot be navigated sensibly without an Ad Blocker is not for me.I am a bit surprised that anyone might think that huge advertising presence that makes a site viable is quite ok if such advertisements that make the site viable are routinely blocked by all its users.Something wrong with someone's theory there.Maybe all these people hate when I chime in, and I don't care, because they are all folks I have found myself in multiple threads with, around here. Whether I even engage with them on whichever topic, I usually agree with some of what they have to say, and respect the way they say it, even if we disagree instead (on no particular topic). Most of these people have also changed my mind, or furthered my knowledge in something we agreed upon.In no Particular order, Tom Caldwell, Stephen Stangways, Bassam Guy, cba_melbourne,Guy Parsons, Skeeterbytes, Messier Object......Heh, heh, count me out as I fully intend to drop out of sight, though my web pages will still be mostly there for people to stumble upon.I've spent something over 30 years in various photo related foums and just over 20 years here at DPR, so it's time for me to retire and contemplate other hobbies and tasks that have been neglected somewhat.I sure hope to see them somewhere elses around the web. Maybe some or all but you already exist over on mu-43.In a few days, mu-43 might not be the best, but sure seems better than the rest.Hopefully this place finds a way through this, but until then, there kind of seems like an obvious place to at least give a shot for a few weeks no?Current thinking is that when I soon get to my 40,000th post I think I will call it quits.That's a shame, but you've been a helpful and even keeled voice here for a long time, so thanks!As much as I enjoy the discussions I've had with many of you, I think the biggest loss here will be the complete obliteration of a mountain of past info, test, samples, and advice that already exist and are relatively easy to search (via Google if not DPR's search tool). That isn't easy to recreate, or compile in the time frame Amazon has given. It's sad to see that much knowledge vanish...

Messier Object wrote:BobT3218 wrote:I don't know if someone is keeping tabs on all the suggestions of where we could go, there are many, but maybe, come April, we should have a survey of where people are going. I think it's job for one of the moderators... hint hint. I would do it but don't know enough about other sites.I don’t like the look or feel of any of the existing alternate sites,But I do have some level of confidence that these guys will build something good . .https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/66962353PeterThat looks promising, anywhere bobn2 is posting I'd wanna join/read tbh.As much as I enjoy the discussions I've had with many of you, I think the biggest loss here will be the complete obliteration of a mountain of past info, test, samples, and advice that already exist and are relatively easy to search (via Google if not DPR's search tool). That isn't easy to recreate, or compile in the time frame Amazon has given. It's sad to see that much knowledge vanish...I'm not sure any of you will remember me since I've been posting far less lately but I use the same alias everywhere (+/- an S or a _Vigil), and already have an account at Fred Miranda, mu-43, and the Phillip Reeve Discord; so I'll pop in and around those.The M4/3 forum is easily the biggest loss to me out of all the DPR sub forums, even if I wasn't active lately, because it seemed far more central to the community and users of the system than any of the others. The numbers it frequently would reflect that.Edit: Hmm, I know bobn2 said they'd mimic DPR's organization and idk if that's how it'll be on the site that will replace the temp forum that's currently up... But right now they've got OM and Panasonic on different boards. I kinda agree with ashalett, it's more useful to have it sectioned by mounts rather than brands even if it leads to some Pana/OM bickering at times.

Jan Steinman wrote:Ruairi wrote:BobT3218 wrote: Also, if I may be a little tongue-in-cheek, can we have rule that we use the descriptor "Olympus" only to refer to items produced by the historic Olympus Imaging and not OMDS.For some time in the forseeable future — possibly until the end of time or OMDS, whichever comes first — there will be much more "Olympus" photo gear out there than there is "OM SYSTEM" gear out there.Unless your intention with that comment was that the discussion be limited to new gear only!Out of several hundred photographic items that function with my µ4/3rds bodies, onlytwoof them are from OMDS!I was taking what Bob was initially saying as call things as they actually are.So it's an "Olympus" e-m5iii, but it's an "OM Sytems" OM-5.I take it they have read, and might not like the term "Olympus OM-5".Of coarse the OM-1 has both on there.They have only put out a few items, I think as time moves on, OM Systems, will likely be uttered more and more, and "Olympus" won't necessarily be said quite as much.I think it's understandable on both sides, seems like OM-1 made it pretty confusing out of the gate carrying both names, and there if you take offense to someone calling it an Olympus OM-1, sounds like a personal issue, get over it, or have fun stressing by yourself. If you correct someone using the term Olympus on this one, you aren't necessarily right, the camera says it on it's forehead!Technically there's really only one OM Systems exclusive camera, the OM-5 carry's no Olympus name to it. So correcting someone, that it is not an Olympus, seems to have a little more foundation to stand on, since the brand "Olympus" is no longer the first thing you see.

Impulses wrote:Guy Parsons wrote:Current thinking is that when I soon get to my 40,000th post I think I will call it quits.That's a shame, but you've been a helpful and even keeled voice here for a long time, so thanks.Maybe 30 something years of photo forums and 20 years here is "enough" for me.Much of my "help" provided was simply downloading appropriate manuals and having a read. It did help others but the selfish motive was that I learned more as I went along.Now back to my real retirement job of shifting dirt in my backyard to make the space more useful. (I should have done that 30 years back when I used to have some muscles).Overall it's been a good time spent in these forums, I have learned a lot and tried to help where I could.Forums are not the only things to disappear, in my working life....The early days of computers were fun, got plenty of overseas training trips, including 9 months in London in 1965 to train with NCR. Fun days.Anyway, if I hit 40,000 in some other forum and never get back here, I would like to thank all here for a very interesting few years of my photography life, it has been good.

If you are looking for an MFT-only forum, have you looked athttps://mftcommunity.com?Even Richard Wong joined there.For a clone of dpreview, there is here a new attempt which looks good:https://dpreview.communitydummy.com/

Jan Steinman wrote:Ruairi wrote:BobT3218 wrote: Also, if I may be a little tongue-in-cheek, can we have rule that we use the descriptor "Olympus" only to refer to items produced by the historic Olympus Imaging and not OMDS.For some time in the forseeable future — possibly until the end of time or OMDS, whichever comes first — there will be much more "Olympus" photo gear out there than there is "OM SYSTEM" gear out there.Unless your intention with that comment was that the discussion be limited to new gear only!Out of several hundred photographic items that function with my µ4/3rds bodies, onlytwoof them are from OMDS!My purpose was to make a clear distinction between Olympus and OMDS.  Granted, it's not easy to do at the moment with so much crossover of technology and material goods.  However, it irks me that our detractors elsewhere enjoy referring to OMDS as Olympus as if to keep live the association with the failed Imaging Division.  I have genuine Olympus gear that I will continue to refer to as Olympus, but my new gear, I refer to as OMDS which it truly is despite the unfortunate logo on the OM-1.

BobT3218 wrote:Jan Steinman wrote:Ruairi wrote:BobT3218 wrote: Also, if I may be a little tongue-in-cheek, can we have rule that we use the descriptor "Olympus" only to refer to items produced by the historic Olympus Imaging and not OMDS.For some time in the forseeable future — possibly until the end of time or OMDS, whichever comes first — there will be much more "Olympus" photo gear out there than there is "OM SYSTEM" gear out there.Unless your intention with that comment was that the discussion be limited to new gear only!Out of several hundred photographic items that function with my µ4/3rds bodies, onlytwoof them are from OMDS!My purpose was to make a clear distinction between Olympus and OMDS. Granted, it's not easy to do at the moment with so much crossover of technology and material goods. However, it irks me that our detractors elsewhere enjoy referring to OMDS as Olympus as if to keep live the association with the failed Imaging Division.The imaging division met their brief. As photographers we should not measure them by the efforts of their peculiar accounting activities.I have genuine Olympus gear that I will continue to refer to as Olympus, but my new gear, I refer to as OMDS which it truly is despite the unfortunate logo on the OM-1.Olympus actual and their activist board members lost the rights to exclusivity of the brand name when they withheld it from OMDS. OM System is a crummy  moniker and it does ill service to the legacy of Olympus cameras. I'm not partaking in the beurocratic charade and will be putting a pathetic Olympus sticker on my OM-2 when the time comes.

I see this forum popping up a lot, so have a read of a few pages from this thread on there.https://www.mu-43.com/threads/change-in-mu-43-site-ownership.112993/It explains why a lot of us left there. It's also owned and run by a large company that has a lot of forums under their belt. It was sold to them by Amin who is one heck of a nice guy BTW. Watch out for the T&Cs on there.Some members don't worry about it and have stayed. It's a choice is all it is.Just saying is all.Danny.

Tom Caldwell wrote:mister_roboto wrote:gaul wrote:Attn M4/3 users - WHERE do we regroup once DPR closes?Bien triste 😢 / Too sadMais merci à l’équipe ! But Thx à lot to the team!https://www.dpreview.com/aboutGaulhttps://www.mu-43.com/I mean, most people here probably already know about it.Roberto - no way am I willing to filter my way through the blizzard of advertisements on mu-43.Tom....ADDS ???.....my add blocker must be working a treat....never seen one add!Lots of people over there are refugees from here and there is a bit of trepidation that the free ranging head kicking, ego flexing and super trolling that this place is renowned for maybe exported over there.

Many years ago I joined  Juzaphoto.com   I only visit it now and then yet though small, it is a very friendly site with plenty of photo info and excellent galleries, It just might be the alternative you are looking for. Google it.

Guy Parsons wrote:The early days of computers were fun, got plenty of overseas training trips, including 9 months in London in 1965 to train with NCR. Fun days.So true! Back when you had to look stuff up in Knuth before coding it up from scratch.Now, "programming" seems to mostly be linking up existing services that often are buggy or poorly documented.

BobT3218 wrote:I have genuine Olympus gear that I will continue to refer to as Olympus, but my new gear, I refer to as OMDS which it truly is despite the unfortunate logo on the OM-1."Unfortunate?"  I might not have snagged it, otherwise!They really knew how to tug at my heartstrings. My first brand new camera, purchased with my first paycheque from my first "real" job was an OM-1!But I do hear you. I still shoot a lot of "OM System" glass, whichused touniquely identify gear with the original Maitani-designed film camera system. Now, I have to add the word "film" or "vintage" in there somewhere."'OM System 90mm ƒ/2 Macro?' I thought it was ƒ/3.5!"

Jan Steinman wrote:Guy Parsons wrote:The early days of computers were fun, got plenty of overseas training trips, including 9 months in London in 1965 to train with NCR. Fun days.So true! Back when you had to look stuff up in Knuth before coding it up from scratch.In my case always on the hardware side of things, only tinkered slightly with some very minor "programming" efforts occasionally when troubleshooting.The fixing consisted of a few stages for me...Hands-on repair to the component were my most satisfying days, my CRO and my brain being my best friends  in those days.When an opportunity came up to retire early, I grabbed it in 1988 and luckily that coincided with a few years of boom time in financial matters and I managed to consolidate and improve my retirement funds.Now, "programming" seems to mostly be linking up existing services that often are buggy or poorly documented.That equates to the board swap era of computer repair, potentially unreliable outcomes.In my case my computer programming experience surfaced when I bought a Commodore 64 just for fun and started simple programming, that led on to eventually writing a suite of programs (compiled Basic plus some machine language portions) for car racing clubs that I maintained for about 10 years. The best effort was timing and providing live results for a major 12 hour production car race. The Commodore had been fine tuned so it was exactly on time after 12 hours. Fun days.

My first association with computers was volunteering as representative of the accounting firm I worked with to do an introductory course in Fortran IV at Armidale NSW University about 1970.Their computer filled a quite large sized room and output was either by a line printer that was quick but had trouble lining up the characters on a line or by an IBM Golf Ball Typewriter.Some years later about 1975 and starting my new practice i was convinced that computers were the way of the future for accountants.  Ended up with me buying an HP 9825 on three month delivery and no programs.  I was told that a guy working at Hunting Engineering in South Australia had put together an accounting program for it.  But contact with my supposed saviour showed his efforts rather basic and angled towards the needs of commerce.Faced with my three month deadline shrinking and no program for the dumb-beast that would arrive it started to look gnarly.  One of my clients just happened to have set up his own programming business locally and we got talking.  He said that if I would design what I needed he would code it.  And we did.  But I wanted to refine it and taught myself how to program in "HPL" which was a form of Algol.  After a 'discussion' with my good friend he acknowledged that I had learned enough not to fall off a cliff.  Which was lucky as friend, client, and helper unfortunately died in a canoe accident in his early thirties.Years later with a burgeoning practice and office queues forming to use our 9825 we bit the bullet in 1981, bought a HP3000 mini mainframe and 12 terminals so that every member of our staff could have a computer working in real time on their desk.  It was a big ask as there was no software.  But we hired our own programmer (who was pretty good) and in three months we were up and running with a serviceable system.  Bear in mind that we took delivery of this system just before the IBM PC was launched.The system was refined over a few years until it did everything we needed to run our office including communication with the Australian Tax Office.We were a 'oncer' and sadly too busy hanging on to our firm's growth to seriously market the system to others. No millionaire here,The system was exactly what we needed for 11 years.  By that time the computer/systems business has changed but we had to take a significant step backwards in what we changed to despite its being supposedly technically the best that the new wave of PC based systems could offer.

Wrote my first commercial program  in 1964. IBM 1401, Autocoder.

Tom Caldwell wrote:My first association with computers was volunteering as representative of the accounting firm I worked with to do an introductory course in Fortran IV at Armidale NSW University about 1970.Their computer filled a quite large sized room and output was either by a line printer that was quick but had trouble lining up the characters on a line or by an IBM Golf Ball Typewriter.Some years later about 1975 and starting my new practice i was convinced that computers were the way of the future for accountants. Ended up with me buying an HP 9825 on three month delivery and no programs. I was told that a guy working at Hunting Engineering in South Australia had put together an accounting program for it. But contact with my supposed saviour showed his efforts rather basic and angled towards the needs of commerce.Faced with my three month deadline shrinking and no program for the dumb-beast that would arrive it started to look gnarly. One of my clients just happened to have set up his own programming business locally and we got talking. He said that if I would design what I needed he would code it. And we did. But I wanted to refine it and taught myself how to program in "HPL" which was a form of Algol. After a 'discussion' with my good friend he acknowledged that I had learned enough not to fall off a cliff. Which was lucky as friend, client, and helper unfortunately died in a canoe accident in his early thirties.Years later with a burgeoning practice and office queues forming to use our 9825 we bit the bullet in 1981, bought a HP3000 mini mainframe and 12 terminals so that every member of our staff could have a computer working in real time on their desk. It was a big ask as there was no software. But we hired our own programmer (who was pretty good) and in three months we were up and running with a serviceable system. Bear in mind that we took delivery of this system just before the IBM PC was launched.The system was refined over a few years until it did everything we needed to run our office including communication with the Australian Tax Office.We were a 'oncer' and sadly too busy hanging on to our firm's growth to seriously market the system to others. No millionaire here,The system was exactly what we needed for 11 years. By that time the computer/systems business has changed but we had to take a significant step backwards in what we changed to despite its being supposedly technically the best that the new wave of PC based systems could offer.My first computer class was in 1967. I have worked with them in the graphics world for 50 years and still hate computers.

mister_roboto wrote:gaul wrote:Attn M4/3 users - WHERE do we regroup once DPR closes?Bien triste 😢 / Too sadMais merci à l’équipe ! But Thx à lot to the team!https://www.dpreview.com/aboutGaulhttps://www.mu-43.com/I mean, most people here probably already know about it.I've registered withhttps://micro43.org/andhttps://dprevived.com/This hopefully will keep me in touch with the posters I have come to rely on over the past 13 years.

I've jumped across to DPRevived (looks the most promising future ground-up facsimile of DPReview).